|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 7:09AM
#31
|
Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2006
|
You posted all that? For me? With a sore thumb? I'm flattered.
As for the zombie thread, you're the one who pointed out when I was right... except you did it in this creepy paranoid way of assuming I went back and edited pointless posts.
I've already said I'm new to this format, and you and a couple of other posters basically bash anyone who says something you don't agree with. It's pointless and pathetic. The fact that you can actually post something helpful makes it even worse, because it's clear you could be better than that and you're choosing not to.
On another note, Vexing Devil is bad. It's not a burn spell or a creature, it's letting your opponent control your board.
I actually managed to get to a computer. But yes, my thumb was still sore at the time of writing. Thankfully, I don't really use my tumbs to type.
And yea, I did point out some stuff you said was right, but I don't think Liliana really has a home in standard, nor will she find one unless the next set gives us some really powerful Planeswalkers. Like Elspeth 1.0 powerful. She's too slow for a rather bleh gain. Her ultimate will combo well with Rakdos's Return if you can ever live long enough to use it, but you rarely will currently.
It isn't so much that we bash, its more that a lot of the regulars have seen way, WAY too many new players who assume they are the next Finkle or Tiago or what have you and refuse to listen to completely sound adivce on deckbuilding (such as "you shouldn't run 16 land in your ramp deck" or "you really don't want to play Scathe Zombies") and people generally respond to the excessive bashing combined with sound reason than bash-free reason. So it isn't because we aren't trying to be nice, we are just trying to be efficent about it. And trust me, I'm generally very happy to be wrong. Unless its something like "Tibalt is a steal at 25 dollars a playset" (*cough*Islands)
Vexing Devil isn't a real creature. Its Lava Spike with a drawback.
Stormkirk feels much more sideboard-y
Disagree. Been trying it in BR zombies to see how good he is, and have yet to be dissapointed beyond the fact he isn't a Zombie.
(at)MrEnglish22 "still a better Commander card than Emmara Tandris" -On the topic of Squire
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 7:44AM
#32
|
Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2010
|
@bloodartist
the gore-house chainwalker is interesting but what i don't like about it is it not having haste. I want my two drops hitting on turn 2 thus why i have 8 of them with haste. a 3/2 2 drop that has to survive a turn then actually not get chumped when it does attack really slows down the deck. the shred freak has already hit for 2 damage and is looking in on another 2 by the time the gore-house is attacking, but i do think it is an interesting card.
also at the keyrune, i am really tempted to play it but i have no idea where it would go. it seems really solid but is it up with the speed of the rest of the deck?
at the topic of sign in blood or any card draw in general. from what i have observed in old rdw decks, even in the modern ones of today is that they are super fast but they don't use card draw at all. i think the object of this deck is to play like a version of sligh where it taps out everyturn and is swinging with every turn, if i am spending my time drawing instead of playing i don't think i am doing it right. but feel free to give your suggestions as well.
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 7:54AM
#33
|
Date Joined:
Aug 10, 2012
|
You posted all that? For me? With a sore thumb? I'm flattered.
As for the zombie thread, you're the one who pointed out when I was right... except you did it in this creepy paranoid way of assuming I went back and edited pointless posts.
I've already said I'm new to this format, and you and a couple of other posters basically bash anyone who says something you don't agree with. It's pointless and pathetic. The fact that you can actually post something helpful makes it even worse, because it's clear you could be better than that and you're choosing not to.
On another note, Vexing Devil is bad. It's not a burn spell or a creature, it's letting your opponent control your board.
I actually managed to get to a computer. But yes, my thumb was still sore at the time of writing. Thankfully, I don't really use my tumbs to type.
And yea, I did point out some stuff you said was right, but I don't think Liliana really has a home in standard, nor will she find one unless the next set gives us some really powerful Planeswalkers. Like Elspeth 1.0 powerful. She's too slow for a rather bleh gain. Her ultimate will combo well with Rakdos's Return if you can ever live long enough to use it, but you rarely will currently.
It isn't so much that we bash, its more that a lot of the regulars have seen way, WAY too many new players who assume they are the next Finkle or Tiago or what have you and refuse to listen to completely sound adivce on deckbuilding (such as "you shouldn't run 16 land in your ramp deck" or "you really don't want to play Scathe Zombies") and people generally respond to the excessive bashing combined with sound reason than bash-free reason. So it isn't because we aren't trying to be nice, we are just trying to be efficent about it. And trust me, I'm generally very happy to be wrong. Unless its something like "Tibalt is a steal at 25 dollars a playset" (*cough*Islands)
Vexing Devil isn't a real creature. Its Lava Spike with a drawback.
Stormkirk feels much more sideboard-y
Disagree. Been trying it in BR zombies to see how good he is, and have yet to be dissapointed beyond the fact he isn't a Zombie.
This makes no sense. It would maybe make a warped kind of sense if all bashing included sound advice. 90% of harassment posts stop at bashing. Maybe you've unconsciously taken your argument to another absurd level, and think it's even more efficient to just bash and nix any advice?
I don't think new players think they're the next Finkel, that's an unfounded assumption. I think they're excited about finding a new combo and want to share it and see what other people think. Which doesn't call for your "efficient bashing" BS, it calls for a simple discussion. Which is what the forums are for. New players are still in the honeymoon phase with magic, and I feel like that deserves encouragement and tolerance, not trolling.
On top of that, had you read the thread, you would've seen I never declared I was the next mtg prodigy and was candid about admitting, after thought and discussion, I was wrong about Liliana/Timmy... though in retrospect I had more of a midrange deck in mind than the aggro deck everyone was discussing. The point is, there's just as much "oh look someone posted something I think is dumb so I'm going to skip the rest of the thread and post I think they're dumb" as there is just plain ol' meaningless bashing.
It's like I said: you're clearly capable of posting something educational and forum/poster-beneficial. And from what I've seen of your posts, you usually choose not to.
Back to the deck:
I don't think Lightning Mauler will do much for your deck, since you're rarely going to swing with it and already have a lot of haste. What are you looking at for sideboard? I kiond of want to include Vile Rebirth for mirror/zombie matches. You have enough removal, and that instant speed seems relevant.
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 8:06AM
#34
|
Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2010
|
vile rebirth does sound really interesting!!! to be honest i don't know what to expect in my meta, i believe there will be a lot zombie decks, as well as many green/x decks as everyone loves their green. delver isn't really that big in my area, a lot of home brews really, but the people that are good will probably be playing zombies and jund. if that helps any with helping on the sideboard.
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 10:54AM
#35
|
Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2006
|
Back to the deck:
I don't think Lightning Mauler will do much for your deck, since you're rarely going to swing with it and already have a lot of haste. What are you looking at for sideboard? I kiond of want to include Vile Rebirth for mirror/zombie matches. You have enough removal, and that instant speed seems relevant.
Try surfing on a phone, and you'll realize why a lot of a thread will get skipped. Surfing the forums is a pain on a phone, and its hard to go back and look at things. So you take the things that stand out as being bad the most (like a 2/2 that can't block sucks) and talk about those. There have been enough people to come to these forums during my time here who make unfounded statements about things they are clearly wrong about, or those who think that they have been playing for 1-2 years, which means they know as much or more than people who have been playing 5-10 times that long. Sure, there is a lot of meaningless bashing, but its because we're jerks, welcome to the Internet. Doesn't mean that it isn't incorrect to say if you think a 2/2 for 1 that can't block is bad means that you need to learn more about Magic. If you think that most of my posts don't have relevant information, then you must be missing a lot of what I say.
As for your suggestions for the deck, Lightning Mauler is a good one, definitely better than the guildmage. Not sure if I want to mess with sideboarding too much, but Vile Rebirth seems like a good card for zombies mirrors and the like. The best play you can make against Zombies is to give yourself a blocker while getting rid of Gravecrawlers and Messengers. If you are expecting to play against Zombies, you will need four Pillar of Flame. I'd comment on what you will need for Jund decks, but I'm still not 100% sure how I will sideboard for them because the color combo has so many good cards and so many good deck options that you could play against a zombie midrange Jund that is black based then next round go against a green based one with bonfires, ramp dorks, and wolfir silverheart. All I can say is that making them pay the Ultimate Price (I can't wait to say that all the time) is going to be a good idea.
I really wish we still had Celestial Purge. A lot.
(at)MrEnglish22 "still a better Commander card than Emmara Tandris" -On the topic of Squire
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 12:20PM
#36
|
Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2010
|
lightning mauler is really cool but it isn't always gaurenteed to hit with haste which is something i am looking for. the guildmage seems like a super star, shrinking guys as well as putting more damage into every turn seems pretty solid.
of course pillar will be maxed out, it is such a hoser to most decks. and i like vile rebirth it seems super techy against zombies.
what do yall think about the mana base so far? and other suggestions to the deck and such?
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 1:32PM
#37
|
|
|
@bloodartist
the gore-house chainwalker is interesting but what i don't like about it is it not having haste. I want my two drops hitting on turn 2 thus why i have 8 of them with haste. a 3/2 2 drop that has to survive a turn then actually not get chumped when it does attack really slows down the deck. the shred freak has already hit for 2 damage and is looking in on another 2 by the time the gore-house is attacking, but i do think it is an interesting card.
And what prevents your shred-freak from being chumped? At least chainwalker survives connecting with a spirit token. Opponent can for example start: overgrown tomb, arbor elf. In this case even the cackler is better than the shred-freak. Also when I mentioned lightning mauler I was thinking of chainwalker. Mauler can also give haste to a cackling etc thats drawn in turns 3+. Don't think that you ALWAYS draw your creatures in the optimal order.
Strictly better 2-drop than shred-freak is ash zealot though.
That said, I am not yet sure whats the best permutation of creatures for rakdos aggro yet. All I know is that I want to play rakdos cackling + diregraf ghoul (and propably ash zealot) in it.
also at the keyrune, i am really tempted to play it but i have no idea where it would go. it seems really solid but is it up with the speed of the rest of the deck?
Don't think that there is only one optimal version of a deck. Keyrune is good if your local meta has several decks with mass removal. Adjust your deck slightly according to your metagame. If UW control is in the rise I would play the keyrune over the flailer.
I don't claim to know the best version of rakdos aggro yet, so I won't press the sign in blood issue, but we should definitely keep it in mind. Aggros lose when they run out of cards to play. And when in topdeck mode, control/midrange decks simply have better cards. I will propably play 2-3. Never 4 though, since you dont want to have multiples of them in your opening hand.
edit: regarding the manabase, I havent thought much about it yet, but I value evolving wilds over the rakdos guildgate [no matter how stylish the gate is..) because the gate on turn 1 will not allow you to play a dragonskull summit on turn 2 untapped. Evolving wilds does.
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." Proud member of the Rakdos guild
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 1:54PM
#38
|
Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2010
|
i agree that the gore house is a pretty good guy but he isn't swining until turn 3 which leaves 2 damage off the table while i could have attacked with shred freak. like if they chump with an arbor elf i am winning cause the only deck playing elves need the guy to ramp. i guess what i am saying is that this deck should have a 1 drop and then 2 drop should be a haster. if they can chump block both then i am impressed but if not one of those guys is getting through for damage. But i am not by any means turning down the gore house, but wouldn't crimson muckwalker be better?? its the same p/t and it can regen itself as well as block. i know the close of ' needs a swamp" but that isn't too hard to achieve in this deck. i think i will try the keyrune as soon as i can and see how it works. i am just so uncertain of my meta that i don't know if it will be good or not. My meta is a bunch of people playing green/x decks so not really controlly, maybe its a great sideboard just in case i run into control/ midragne? and of course i do know that optimal hands will not always come but have 8 two drops with haste is definitly better than just 4 ie having just the ashe. i firmly believe speed will win out against pure strength in that the faster i get them closer to 0 the less probability of them being able to stablize and my burn can carry me to wins. But again i am always open to ideas and who knows, maybe that gore will be bonkers and i will end up playing it and will be thanking you for it !
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:00PM
#39
|
|
|
But i am not by any means turning down the gore house, but wouldn't crimson muckwalker be better??
You're right, it would.
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." Proud member of the Rakdos guild
|
|
|
|
9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:48PM
#40
|
Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2010
|
ha its all good. maybe a deck that has super good 2 drops like muckwalker and gore house can be plausible one day?
|
|
|