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Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:25PM, CommanderJim wrote:

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Has there ever been a good five mana counterspell? I can think of good four mana ones, but not five. 

Force of Will , but I'm not sure anyone in the history of magic has ever paid the five mana.

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:28PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:25PM, CommanderJim wrote:

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Has there ever been a good five mana counterspell? I can think of good four mana ones, but not five. 

Force of Will , but I'm not sure anyone in the history of magic has ever paid the five mana.

It happens more than you'd think.

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:42PM, John_Q._Mayhem wrote:

Traumatic Visions is quite good and underrated in multicolored EDH. To be fair, though, that's only because it has basic landcycling as an option. But that makes it amazing in EDH.

I actually used Traumatic Visions in Standard.

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:24PM, Sleeping wrote:

Okay, counterspells are going the exact same direction as land destruction.

I've noticed this, and it's annoying. New players don't like using strategy, so nobody else should either. It takes too much skill to play against counter spells so Wizards seems to have just decided to totally nerf counters and make the game entirely about creatures fighting.

Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:41PM, infinight wrote:

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:24PM, Sleeping wrote:

Okay, counterspells are going the exact same direction as land destruction.

I've noticed this, and it's annoying. New players don't like using strategy, so nobody else should either. It takes too much skill to play against counter spells so Wizards seems to have just decided to totally nerf counters and make the game entirely about creatures fighting.

Two words: Play aggro. You will get a threat through, and the counter player won't be able to do a thing about it. Counterintuitive (pardon the pun), but spamming works.

Yeah, this is really unfair to control decks.

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:25PM, CommanderJim wrote:

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Has there ever been a good five mana counterspell? I can think of good four mana ones, but not five. 

I'm quite fond of Desertion , but not so much for the counterspell part, more for the can't be disenchanted Control Magic part.

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:25PM, CommanderJim wrote:

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Has there ever been a good five mana counterspell? I can think of good four mana ones, but not five. 

Aside from Force of Will, Decree of Silence and Draining Whelk both saw varying levels of play.

Sep 25, 2012 -- 1:12AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:25PM, CommanderJim wrote:

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Has there ever been a good five mana counterspell? I can think of good four mana ones, but not five. 

I'm quite fond of Desertion , but not so much for the counterspell part, more for the can't be disenchanted Control Magic part.

Force of Will .

Sep 23, 2012 -- 1:49PM, bay_falconer wrote:

Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:41PM, infinight wrote:

Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:24PM, Sleeping wrote:

Okay, counterspells are going the exact same direction as land destruction.

I've noticed this, and it's annoying. New players don't like using strategy, so nobody else should either. It takes too much skill to play against counter spells so Wizards seems to have just decided to totally nerf counters and make the game entirely about creatures fighting.

Two words: Play aggro. You will get a threat through, and the counter player won't be able to do a thing about it. Counterintuitive (pardon the pun), but spamming works.

Yeah, this is really unfair to control decks.

There's more to control than permission.

Besides, baiting counters is hardly the most strategic aspect of the game.