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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 7:15PM #401
Sleeping
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I understand where you're coming from, but comparing Essence Scatter to Mind Rot is not a good comparison. If anything at any point in the game Essence Scatter stops your opponent from improving their board position with creatures, where Rot doesn't. You were never really the best at card comparisons.


The nice thing about Essence Scatter is that even if you draw it late you can play your best threats and prevent your opponent's best threats from resolving, the ones that are game breaking. Essence Scatter stops something like Vampire Nighthawk, something that would laugh at Scorpion. With Essence Drain and Encrust as our only removal (neither amazing removal spells either), I'm happy with Scatters. We have Giant Scorpion , Fog Bank , and Vedalken Entrancer in terms of blockers. Unsummon makes our Scatters a little better. And every turn we can delay the game by countering backbreaking threats with Scatters the better our Divination become.

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 7:34PM #402
silentbobus
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I'm not entirely sure that is true. If you draw Essence Scatter late your opponent's best threats are already on the board -- this is why I am using Mind Rot for comparison. It is both higher risk and higher reward than Essence Scatter, but in the same class of cards that must be drawn before the cards you're seeking to counter. I've seen opponents try the Divination , Unsummon , Essence Scatter synergy and it worked resonably well, but from my side of the board it looked like a lot of tap-dancing ultimately ending in their deaths. Giant Scorpions are considerably more vexing on my opponent's side of the board because they require removal or for me to sacrifice an 3/x or better at some point unless I can trick them into dying via Cower in Fear or Public Execution . The best black decks I've faced ran them in multiples (we can't all draft multiples of Vampire Nighthawk). Similarly I've never been disappointed with or subbed out Giant Scorpion except against skies, while I've been disappointed a number of times by top decking Essence Scatter after the creature I really needed it to stop was already on my opponent's board, or holding 2 mana because I was certain my opponent would drop a creature the following turn, only to face Talrand's Invocation or similar card instead.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 12:08AM #403
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 6:57PM, silentbobus wrote:

Oct 5, 2012 -- 5:09PM, Lobster667 wrote:

There is literally dozens of other spells in the set in our colours that can replace the Scorpion. I can think of only one that can replace the Scatter. I think for that reason, the decision to pick Scorpion here isn't good. The deck might want them, but it needs the Scatter.




From what I have read of the experts they suggest shooting for 2 Scatters if you are in blue, and that the most you want to be playing is 3. Taking the Essence Scatter here already puts you at the upper limit. It's a card that is objectively in the 2.5 -3.0 range, there's no reason to go crazy with it. Giant Scorpion, is a killer card it prevents decks from being able to rush you and stops decks from attacking with their high end creatures because it isn't worth the trade. It's also a lot of fun drafting them in multiples if you can also get a glider. I would list out all of the cards that can't effectively attack if you have a Giant Scorpion out but it would be very silly because it is the majority of them.

Perhaps another way to look at  Essence Scatter  is to look at Mind Rot . It's a killer card if you get it at the right time. It has the potential to 'kill' not one, but two creatures and often does. I just lost a game due to getting hit with a Mind Rot and a Ravenous Rats, discarding my hand of Essence Drain , Servant of Nefarox and Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis in the process. Any one of those cards would have turned the tide of the game into a win for me. But you can't keep jamming multiple copies of the same card into a deck hoping it'll work out for the best, because the problematic situations for that card are going to be that much worse. Giant Scorpion is a solid creature that requires no mana commitment to be solid, I strongly suggest taking it.




I think comparing Essence Scatter, a legitimate first-pick, to Mind Rot, drench that you'll almost never play, is not doing the card justice. With Mind Rot, they have to still have two cards (or just one) when you draw it, and you're paying 3 mana and they're not paying anything. With Essence Scatter, all you need is for them to play a creature (I'd guess the average deck has 15, which is 37.5% of their deck) and you're paying two mana, they're probably paying at least as much if not more. I'm not going to buy the Mind Rot argument which means your points about how the sweet cards you had left doesn't do anything for me. Besides, I'm thinking you'd probably also have lost to a Scatter of the Nefarox there (since you'd tap out for him and be unable to cast the Drain at least right away).

Scorpion's mana commitment is almost as much as Scatter's.

Not being able to win with lots and lots of the same card is just plain wrong. I'd take a deck with 25 Mind Sculpts, or one with 25 Flunkies, or one with 10 Coursers, 10 Visionaries and 5 Rancor any day. Don't get me started on Vampire Nighthawks, or Searing Spears, or Chronomatons...

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 8:31AM #404
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Got called into work be back later to update the rest.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 9:07AM #405
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Giant Scorpion
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 8:43PM #406
CommanderGreven
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Pack 1:

Jace, Memory Adept
Encrust
Fog Bank
Essence Drain
Essence Scatter
Divination
Duty-Bound Dead
Liliana's Shade
Duress
Dragonskull Summit
Dark Favor
Wind Drake
Smelt
Tormod's Crypt

Pack 2:

Essence Scatter
Unsummon
Giant Scorpion
Chronomaton
Vedalken Entrancer
Divination
Essence Scatter

Next...

Ring of Valkas
Encrust
Divine Favor
Smelt
Reckess Brute
Glorious Charge
Trumpet Blast  
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 9:45PM #407
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Encrust.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 9:47PM #408
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Yeah, Encrust is the only real card here (for us).
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 10:11PM #409
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I think I can encrust the community with this pick.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 07, 2012 - 12:22AM #410
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Not much choice here really, Encrust
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