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10 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 5:47AM #1
Zuberu
Date Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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Is a simple qüestion.

If a player does a spell that says "Whenever you play a -something- spell, do trigger" and the opponent counters the -something- spell, does the trigger take effect?

For example:
I use Glimpse of nature and I start playing creature spells and drawing. And the opponent decides to use for example remove soul (because with another counter would be obvious to counter glimpse instead) to that creature and it is countered, should I draw even if the creature has been countered?
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 5:50AM #2
will_dice
Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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The ability triggers on the spell being cast (played), so Glimpe of Nature 's triggers right away and goes to the stack above your creature spell, even before the opponent has a chance to cast the Remove Soul .


Countering the spell won't make the ability to un-trigger. You still get to draw a card with Glimpse's ability.

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10 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 10:58AM #3
Zuberu
Date Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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So the word "play" means even if it is played successful or unsuccessful (countered) in that case
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 11:01AM #4
Salla
Date Joined: Apr 3, 2003
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 10:58AM, Zuberu wrote:

So the word "play" means even if it is played successful or unsuccessful (countered) in that case




Yes.  They've replaced 'play' with 'cast' for this reason (among others).  It makes it clear that the ability triggers when the spell is cast, not when it resolves.

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10 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 11:01AM #5
Enigma256
Date Joined: Jul 28, 2010
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play means "cast" for non-land cards and "play as a land" for land cards

"cast" simply means putting it on the stack and paying its costs
it doesn't say anything about it resolving or not
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 11:11AM #6
will_dice
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 10:58AM, Zuberu wrote:

So the word "play" means even if it is played successful or unsuccessful (countered) in that case



The action of playing (casting) a spell is to move the spell from your hand (or other zone if permited, like from graveyard with flashback) to the stack, making relevant choices (optional costs, modes, targets), and paying its cost. Doing so means the spell was cast, was played. Even old cards saying 'is successfully cast' doesn't mean 'isn't countered', but just 'you performed the actions to cast it'.


It resolving (taking effect) or being countered is something that happens later to the already-played spell.

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