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9 months ago ::
Sep 09, 2012 - 9:32PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 10, 2007
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Carrying on from the previous vote thread, it's time for the next batch of gold! Give me your Top 5 UR Izzet and your Top 5 BG Golgari Multiplayer cards! That's two separate top fives, OK? Got it?  The Rules1. Cards up-to and including Dark Ascension can be chosen (i.e. no Etherium-Horn Sorcerer  , and no RtR preview cards). 2. Order matters - please give me 1-5 in order. This helps to determine the end rankings. 3.   and   separately, and only those colour combinations (so nothing with extra colours, like Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker  ... they're later on). Hybrid counts. 4. Functional reprints count as the same card. 5. I'll close this off at noon Friday 14th September my time (+8hrs, so 4am Friday 14th September GMT), and kick the next one off immediately. Here is are the lists of the card pools for Izzet and Golgari for your reference, sorted by Gatherer community rating, so the dross is at the bottom:
DONE!
 
Top 5 UR Izzet
- Dominus of Fealty
 - 3.8
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
 - 2.8
- Call the Skybreaker
 - 1.5
- Jhoira of the Ghitu
 - 1.5
- Djinn Illuminatus
 - 1.2
TURF (Tendencies, Useless Ramblings and Facts)
- We had 6 individual voters. Thanks guys!
- 15 different cards received votes. Out of these, eight cards received multiple votes, and only three appeared in three or more lists.
- Dominus of Fealty was a clear winner, with three of the six top votes. Niv , Jhoira
 and Call the Skybreaker all managed a single top vote each.
- Niv and the Dominus each appeared in five of the six lists, with Djinn Illuminatus next in the queue (managing to appear in three).
- Just missing the top five were Prophetic Bolt
 and Cerebral Vortex  (each at 0.7).
 
Top 5 BG Golgari
- Pernicious Deed
 - 4.0
- Lord of Extinction
 - 2.2
- Vulturous Zombie
 - 2.0
- Glissa, the Traitor
 - 1.7
- Spiritmonger
 - 1.2
TURF (Tendencies, Useless Ramblings and Facts)
- We had 6 individual voters. Thanks guys!
- 14 different cards received votes. Out of these, eight cards received multiple votes, and only six appeared in three or more lists.
- Pernicious Deed was the clear winner here - it had four of the six top votes. Only Savra
 and Vulturous Zombie managed to join it in topping a list.
- The Deed also appeared in every list. Next in line was Lord of Extinction , appearing in five of the six.
- Just missing the top five were Grim Feast
 (1.0), Savra, Queen of the Golgari and Worm Harvest  (both at 0.8).
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9 months ago ::
Sep 09, 2012 - 10:30PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 27, 2009
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1 Jhoira of the Ghitu (For being the most fun in MP games in these colors.) 2 Niv-Mizzet, the firemind  (For being the basis for most U/R decks.) 3 Dracoplasm  (This should be first for being so crazy, but it isn't MP friendly.) 4 Cerebral Vortex (Pretty fun in the right deck.) 5 Razorfin Hunter  (Was the best pinger at one point, a long time ago...) 1 Pernicious Deed (The Rock!) 2 Spiritmonger (One of the most efficient creatures of all time, for a long time.) 3 Worm Harvest (A very fun card. Not to be underestimated.) 4 Vulturous Zombie (Extremely strong in MP. It's so good it's bad!) 5 Lord of Extinction (Pretty beefy when you use it right.) There are too many honorable mentions in B/G, so I just want to point out a devistating pair of cards: Cadaverous Bloom  Squandered Resources  Add Prosperity  to those to make everybody draw their entire libraries for a very awesome combo deck. Plus, I figured CB would get a kick out of it.
HOW TO AUTOCARD! When posting in a text box, type [c ]Plains[/c] to make your post show Plains  . Are you making a casual mill deck? Please read.
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Control is the key of a mill deck. You should free up your mana as much as possible so that you can respond to whatever your opponent is doing. Having some way to remove threats, both real and percieved, is necessary to survival. Real threats are those that are already on the field, and are something a simple unsummon  or doom blade  can remove. Percieved threats are those that aren't on the field, something a simple duress  or counterspell  can deal with. Controlling the board will allow your mill deck to continuously perform, if you use permanent style mill, that is.
One-Shot Mill spells are something you should avoid. You can toss tome scour  s at your opponent until your hand runs out, but that isn't going to be enough to mill them to death. With 1-shot mill spells, like tome scour , you have to treat them like burn spells. Therefore, the only "good" 1-shot mill spells are sanity grinding  (in the right deck) and mind funeral  . Try to find more permanent styles of milling, like memory erosion  , hedron crab  , and curse of the bloody tome  , so that you don't have to waste your mana each turn doing something that those permanents can do with a single mana/turn investment. Keeping your mana open allows you to respond with control elements.
Traumatize  Rant. Traumatize is a terrible card for a multitude of reasons. First, it costs 5 to cast, which is a large investment for a mill deck. Milling half a library sounds neat, but if you do the math, it really isn't that much. An average 60 card deck starts with drawing 7 cards. Then, barring any draw spells on their end, or ramp on yours, 5 turns will go by, where they draw 5 more cards, leaving 48 in the deck. Unless they had a deck with more than 60 cards, or you ramped it out, the most you'll ever mill with a single Traumatize on turn 5 is 24 cards. That's not too shabby, but hang on, there's more! If they drew any additional cards or if they were milled before turn 5, that number will be much lower. In addition, any more Traumatize's you draw will only mill less and less as the game goes on...which is the point of a mill deck. My whole point on Traumatize is the it is NOT worth the 5 mana investment, not even with haunting echoes  . You can mill more than 24 before turn 5...which you can then cast the echoes.
If you look at a mill deck like a burn deck, you'll notice that it takes longer to win with mill than with burn. For example, lightning bolt  costs 1 and does 3 out of the 20 damage needed to win (barring any lifegain or damage prevention). For mill, that same investment of 1 would have to mill 9 cards out of an average 60 card deck to be the equivilent of lightning bolt . The problem is that there is no mill card that can do that...except hedron crab , over a period of time. The initial investment of 1 will pay off in 3 more land drops to make the crab equal to a bolt. However, the crab nets you more mill beyond those 3 land drops, making it better as the game draws on. Other cards, like curse of the bloody tome , are excellent ways of milling an opponent because the initial investment of  is all you have to pay in order to put your opponent on a clock. All you have to do is stay alive, which is the true goal of a mill strategy.
There are other ideas for mill decks that are specific to certain types of strategies. Combo mill decks can mill an entire player's library out from under them. Secondary mill strategies are usually tied to another strategy, like drowner of secrets  in a merfolk deck, or halimar excavator  in an ally deck. Milling can be done in certain decks that are able to ramp out enough mana to make use of the higher costing mill spells, like using 16 x post  to pay for X on sands of delirium  or for ambassador laquatus  . Multiplayer mill decks are even tougher to build, but can be done. Being a slower environment[/c], it is easier to ramp in multiplayer, allowing for big X spells, like mind grind  , to be useful. Consuming aberration  is another star player. The more straightforward strategy is to use mesmeric orb  and dreamborn muse  while being the only deck at the table that can deal with it  . There are always new strategies coming out with each new set, so check gatherer for any new mill cards that you find to be the most fun for you!
Now you can say that you haven't fallen into the trap that most new players fall into when they build their first mill deck!
 : Order, Law, Faith.
: Knowledge, Artifice, Control.
: Corruption, Death, Self-Interest.
: Freedom, Destruction, Victory.
: Nature, Growth, Life.
 : Progressive, but too controlling.
 : Focused, but short sighted.
 : Skilled, but hypocritical.
 : Unified, but without a sense of self.
 : Cunning, but devious.
 : Inquisitive, but incautious.
 : Rational, but impulsive.
 : Powerful, but spiteful.
 : Instinctive, but selfish.
 : Fearless, but reckless.
Name:  Keino
 =100 Class: 
 x 236 Diety: 
 125/200
Weapon: Staff of Fire ( =2x dmg/ =4+3 dmg)
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 2:10AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 10, 2007
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9 months ago ::
Sep 12, 2012 - 1:48AM
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9 months ago ::
Sep 12, 2012 - 6:56PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 28, 2011
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u/r
1. Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
2. Dominus of Fealty
3. Wee Dragonauts
4. Cerebral Vortex
5. Nin, the pain artist
not many here that i liked
b/g
1. Pernicious Deed
2. Lord of EXtinction
3. Necrogensis
4. Glissa, the Traitor
5. Vulturous Zombie
i could have gotten 10 in this one but here are a few honorable mentioned
Spiritmonger
Nath of the Gilt-Leaf
Grim Feast
Jarad, Golgari LIch Lord
Malestrom Pulse
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9 months ago ::
Sep 16, 2012 - 11:06PM
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9 months ago ::
Sep 23, 2012 - 9:16PM
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