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Switch to Forum Live View 9/10/2012 MM: "Return on Investment, Part 2"
10 months ago  ::  Sep 07, 2012 - 12:30PM #1
WotC_Monty
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 9:19PM #2
Thalatta
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I kinda wish it/they made a random saproling token, just so that if you didn't have one, you could do so...but I expect that turned out a bit too strong. :P
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 9:24PM #3
Negated
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Time to break this card in half.

*goes to drawing board* 
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 9:26PM #4
The_Great_Galendo
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Hmm...way back during the first Great Designer Search, one of the questions they asked during the written portion was something along the lines of "Which keyword currently in Standard would you have done differently?"  The keyword I picked was hellbent, and the replacement keyword I submitted was an abiliity I called paincast.  I have to admit that MaRo's limited description doesn't quite sound like what I submitted (mine was a cost-reducing mechanic, and those are somewhat out of vogue now anyway), but now I'm actually really, really curious to see what ability shows up on the new Rakdos.
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 9:46PM #5
Katastrophe
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preview card + Kiki-Jiki = clones. Kind of obvious.

preview card + Kiki-Jiki + Mirror Gallery = growing math problem! May as well put Spawnwrithe in the deck just to be funny.
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 9:49PM #6
Kinie
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So far, the best idea I can think of for abusing her in Standard is to keep the deck G/W, using her, Thragtusk, Garruk Relentless, and Thraben Doomsayer as ways to generate tokens from the creature/planeswalker side.

Gather the Townsfolk, Midnight Haunting, Increasing Devotion, and Fungal Sprouting are sorcery-speed token generators that are in those colors.  Parallel Lives can double token generation, and Champion of Lambholt gets larger for every creature put onto the battlefield, token or not.  Another alternate win-con can be Chalice of Life, as once it flips you have a 4 turn clock at the least.

And we don't even know what other token generation cards are in RTR.
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 11:31PM #7
Fenix.
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For a while, all five of the Gatecrash guild keywords were creature-centric, most of which had a big impact on creature combat.



Oh my God, even Dimir? I know you're pushing creatures and combat hard, but come on, Dimir? This makes me so sad.

I hope the Dimir keyword was one of those that got changed...

It encouraged weird deck building, where you were trying to get as many different types of tokens into your deck as you could.



I find this to be incredibly interesting.

re: paincast;
Paincast COST (When you cast this spell, if you paid the paincast cost, target opponent loses X life, where X is this spells converted mana cost.)


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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

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Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

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Sorin walked into the chamber where his newly wed bride, Vampy, awaited. A beam of moonlight illuminated his brilliant silver hair as he strode with confidence towards the bed. His shirtless body showcased his powerful abdominal muscles and he was wearing jeans with holes in the knees.


Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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10 months ago  ::  Sep 09, 2012 - 11:45PM #8
bateleur_
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Personally I like Detain a lot. The main reason is that it leads the Guild to play in a very different style from the original Ravnica block. Forecast encourages slow, grindy play. Detain encourages tempo play.

Unleash is the mechanic in this set I'm not very taken with. The problem is, it forces Rakdos to play aggro or lose a lot of card power, which means it becomes the guild that wins or loses games based on the contents of its opening hands. Like "Suspend" it's a mechanic which appears to offer a decision, but in practice the decision will usually be obvious and the mechanic just generates swinginess. (Although obviously I haven't played with it yet, so hopefully I'll turn out to be wrong...)
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 10, 2012 - 12:21AM #9
Amarsir
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I'm picturing Paincast as a sort of bloodthirst meets prowl.  If the opponent took damage this turn, you can cast cheaper. Feels Rakdos to me.
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10 months ago  ::  Sep 10, 2012 - 1:07AM #10
TobyornotToby
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Sep 9, 2012 -- 9:46PM, Katastrophe wrote:

preview card + Kiki-Jiki = clones. Kind of obvious.

preview card + Kiki-Jiki + Mirror Gallery = growing math problem! May as well put Spawnwrithe in the deck just to be funny.




How does the Gallery add anything there?

Sep 9, 2012 -- 11:31PM, Fenix. wrote:

For a while, all five of the Gatecrash guild keywords were creature-centric, most of which had a big impact on creature combat.


 
Oh my God, even Dimir? I know you're pushing creatures and combat hard, but come on, Dimir? This makes me so sad.

I hope the Dimir keyword was one of those that got changed...


 

Dimir is the guild of spies and thieves. It's possible they get a saboteur-enabler mechanic, like Ninjitsu or Morph. 

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