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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 7:55AM
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I think what he's saying is that Aggro shouldn't really care about chump blocking OR using a space in the deck for a free 1/1 counter, and I think he has a point. But we're only playing with half a set at this point, there may be something tasty with the Unleashed word on it that we haven't seen yet, and I personally think that the Zombie deck of choice going forward won't be so much G/B with a splash of Red, but R/B with a splash of green.
Probably just for Abrupt Decay and Dreg Mangler.
For the first part--I agree. I wouldn't run lotleth or slitherhead in a mediocre timmy deck like this.
For the second part--eh... I have mixed feelings. I think in the beginning you're right: the metagame will shift to adopting a splash of green cards, but BR zombies will stay intact. Later on I'm not so sure, and I have a hunch cards that didn't see play from the Innistrad block will surprise us in their inclusion in decks by the end of the year.
We'll see though! This is my first time going through a block rotation while competing in tournaments, and yeah, there're too many unknown cards to really know how things'll work out.
EDIT: I has been brought to my attention that, no, this is not Timmy 
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 8:57AM
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The fact that you're describing it as a "timmy deck" shows that you aren't understanding it at all. It's about all-in aggro, getting their life total to 0 before they stabilize, and that's all. That's why I'm not running primordial hydra or ghoultree or anything like that.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 9:14AM
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The fact that you're describing it as a "timmy deck" shows that you aren't understanding it at all. It's about all-in aggro, getting their life total to 0 before they stabilize, and that's all. That's why I'm not running primordial hydra or ghoultree or anything like that.
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"Timmy wants to smash his opponents."
Anyone else want to explain to catowner this deck isn't anything more than a bunch of creatures leading to a DIY big guy?
Just because it doesn't have any hulking giants doesn't mean this deck isn't Timmy-derivative. You want to smash your opponent with a bunch of creatures, or trample over your opponents creatures with a beefed up troll. Your deck's only as complicated as that. Your alt win con is Jarad, I guess, but but the time he's useful your opponent, as you say, should already have their board stabilized. Your deck's trying to squeeze the aggro of mono green into the graveyard/undying/speed of BR zombies, and in this iteration it won't work.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 10:17AM
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Before this descends into a full on slapping contest, there is no way this is a Timmy deck. Just because it doesn't have any hulking giants doesn't mean this deck isn't Timmy-derivative. You want to smash your opponent with a bunch of creatures, or trample over your opponents creatures with a beefed up troll. Your deck's only as complicated as that.
Those exact words could be used to describe 90% of the decks in standard right now. Or to put it another way, you're saying the entirety of any deck that might fly under the banner of 'aggro' is a Timmy deck.
My splinterfright deck is a Timmy deck. I once got that rude mother up to 21/19! This deck is no Timmy sir.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 10:33AM
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Before this descends into a full on slapping contest, there is no way this is a Timmy deck.
Just because it doesn't have any hulking giants doesn't mean this deck isn't Timmy-derivative. You want to smash your opponent with a bunch of creatures, or trample over your opponents creatures with a beefed up troll. Your deck's only as complicated as that.
Those exact words could be used to describe 90% of the decks in standard right now. Or to put it another way, you're saying the entirety of any deck that might fly under the banner of 'aggro' is a Timmy deck.
My splinterfright deck is a Timmy deck. I once got that rude mother up to 21/19! This deck is no Timmy sir.
See, when I see this deck, I assume it's trying to get a giant creature on the battlefield that's been attacking every turn (after turn 2) that's steadily growing... not exponentially like Primordial Hydra  , but quickly and efficiently enough to have like a 7/6 trample on the board smacking you in the face by turn 5. Right? That seems Timmy-ish to me.
Anyway, you're right. I'll concede that my idea of Timmy is wrong, since I've only just started learning the jargon, and that's not the point of the deck post anyway. My bad. All my posts are trying to point to is this deck isn't efficiently aggro, and has a weak mid and late game, and we should wait to see what's released, yah?
Splinterfright  looks... just... wow, awesome.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 11:17AM
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Posting in a silly thread.
Good in EDH
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 1:22PM
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A 1 mana 1/1 does nothing in standard unless it's a mana dork.
Nimble Mongoose  . Or, more recently, Young Wolf  . Or, oh, wait a minute: Delver of Secrets  .
Slitherhead  is a one-drop 1/1 with a secondary utility of generating a +1/+1 counter from the graveyard for free. Is it the best card? No. But it does synergize well with Lotleth. You're right: the only thing you should pitch early-game to Lotleth is Gravecrawler  , since Slitherhead will be a turn one play/chump blocker before Lotleth eats it.
But Lotleth is not a bad card. In Golgari, having a graveyard full of creatures is awesome, and the troll lets you dump loads of creatures in there fropm your hand while beefing up. If Jund doesn't make a huge comeback, BGW will, augmented by mana dorks. Unburial Rites  for a Griselbrand? Cheap Zombie Treefolk  ?
Anyway, Slitherhead is not a bad hunger of the howlpack  . It's essentially a free +1/+1 counter that could also be a chump blocker for one mana.
Did you really just...my god.
Nimble Mongoose is played in Legacy where its consistently a 3/3, not to mention afaik it wasn't as strong as it is in Legacy.
No one plays Young Wolf, and even then its a 1/1 thats resilient to boardwipes and removal.
Delver of Secrets is a flying 3/2 95% of the time, if your deck is built correctly and you set him up.
Just 1/1s? No, are you for real?
Slitherhead is not in the same league as most of these cards. Its a 1/1 that is required to die, and for it to pump another dude by +1/+1 you actually have to have another dude.
Loltroll is probably the weakest card in the list, and you'd rather have creatures on the field then in the yard in this deck, its not about how the GUILD plays out, its about how the DECK plays out.
No, you won't be playing reanimator, especially not in the same deck as Loltroll in my opinion, and you definately wont be recurring treefolk.
Pirmordial Hydra is a great limited card, and its not what the deck wants to be doing.
Splinterfright is also terrible in an aggrofocused list.
TL;DR: I'm not sure how experienced you are with this game, but you're throwing out very very very poor suggestions, and your grasp on the game seems very weak.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 1:47PM
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A 1 mana 1/1 does nothing in standard unless it's a mana dork.
Nimble Mongoose . Or, more recently, Young Wolf . Or, oh, wait a minute: Delver of Secrets .
Slitherhead is a one-drop 1/1 with a secondary utility of generating a +1/+1 counter from the graveyard for free. Is it the best card? No. But it does synergize well with Lotleth. You're right: the only thing you should pitch early-game to Lotleth is Gravecrawler , since Slitherhead will be a turn one play/chump blocker before Lotleth eats it.
But Lotleth is not a bad card. In Golgari, having a graveyard full of creatures is awesome, and the troll lets you dump loads of creatures in there fropm your hand while beefing up. If Jund doesn't make a huge comeback, BGW will, augmented by mana dorks. Unburial Rites for a Griselbrand? Cheap Zombie Treefolk ?
Anyway, Slitherhead is not a bad hunger of the howlpack . It's essentially a free +1/+1 counter that could also be a chump blocker for one mana.
Did you really just...my god.
Nimble Mongoose is played in Legacy where its consistently a 3/3, not to mention afaik it wasn't as strong as it is in Legacy.
No one plays Young Wolf, and even then its a 1/1 thats resilient to boardwipes and removal.
Delver of Secrets is a flying 3/2 95% of the time, if your deck is built correctly and you set him up.
Just 1/1s? No, are you for real?
Slitherhead is not in the same league as most of these cards. Its a 1/1 that is required to die, and for it to pump another dude by +1/+1 you actually have to have another dude.
Loltroll is probably the weakest card in the list, and you'd rather have creatures on the field then in the yard in this deck, its not about how the GUILD plays out, its about how the DECK plays out.
No, you won't be playing reanimator, especially not in the same deck as Loltroll in my opinion, and you definately wont be recurring treefolk.
Pirmordial Hydra is a great limited card, and its not what the deck wants to be doing.
Splinterfright is also terrible in an aggrofocused list.
TL;DR: I'm not sure how experienced you are with this game, but you're throwing out very very very poor suggestions, and your grasp on the game seems very weak.
My first point was pretty obviously saying there are more 1/1 one-drops than mana dorks, past and present.
If you've actually read the thread, I already said I wouldn't main-deck slitherhead or lotleth.
Next, how the hell do you know what I or anyone else would play? You don't. There's over half RtR to be released.
The rest of your post is either a product of garbled thinking or not reading the thread, since no one suggested anything with Primordial or Splinterfright.
I really don't care for the personal attacks, but I feel pretty much the same about your MtG grasp ie your Jund list as I do this GB list, so I guess the feeling's mutual.
Aaaand this is pretty much officially a silly thread.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 1:54PM
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Hey you guys leave Splinterfright out of this. I love that card. And Ghoultree.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 10, 2012 - 2:08PM
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I'm not going to argue dude.
Enjoy your time on the forums, but maybe next time get your head out of your butt before posting anything, yeah?
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