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9 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 6:20PM
#101
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On a positive note, this will be the first time in years that both enemy and allied pairs are equal in terms of manabases, so now there is a chance enemy color decks stand a chance against the usual allied ones. However, I am worried about too much fixing: what is going to keep the manabases in check this time? Last time Stone Rain, Cryoclasm, Detritivore, Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon, Eye of Nowhere and Boomerand were there along the shocklands and even then 3 - color decks weren't bad. Do you think we will see battles among 4 -5 color decks playing the same best cards?
If Limited gets in the way of printing good Constructed cards...
Screw limited
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9 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 6:34PM
#102
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With shocks and Chromatic Lantern, it's entirely possible we see 3-color decks being the norm, with several variations of "5-color-good-stuff" and 5cc.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 6:45PM
#103
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5 colors is probably still too greedy, but definitely lots of 3 colors decks and maybe a 4 color or 2.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 08, 2012 - 1:39AM
#104
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With shocks and Chromatic Lantern, it's entirely possible we see 3-color decks being the norm, with several variations of "5-color-good-stuff" and 5cc.
Huh? The Pseudo-Duels are good enough for 3 color. In-fact the mana issues that RtR will bring will involve the theory involving weighted mana costs. People are going to use lots of powerful multicolored spells but have to play some of the super awesome spells a little late because of their mana weight, shocks or none.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 08, 2012 - 1:31PM
#105
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People underrate 3 CMC mana rocks. Sure, they aren't nearly as good as 2 CMC (man, I wish we could have 2 CMC mana rocks again) they are still decent and serve a purpose.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 13, 2012 - 6:31PM
#106
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I will admit to not reading past the OP. But I agree with a lot of his sentiments. I feel as if Magic is going somewhere that I personally don't particularly like. It's not Mythics, or a perception of "power creep", or anything like that. It's really that the game has come to a state where many cards are just plain better than others, no matter how you like to play the game, and no matter what your deck does.
I don't particularly like it, and it shows. I spoke with my best friend earlier today, and of course we don't talk without talking about Magic. But I realized that most of the cards he was talking about, from M13 and the new set that's about to come out, I did not hear or read about. Over the past months, I have taken the stance that there is really no need to know about all of those cards. I used to know about many more cards that were in Standard, but now I don't because I know that all I have to do is worry about the top cards, and that's it.
There's not much creativity nowadays. And don't get me wrong, I know the best cards will normally win, but by "creativity", I really mean diversity. I guess that is to say that the Handful Of Best Decks seems to be getting smaller because you don't have a middle ground anymore. There is only good and bad, and what is absent is "good in this particular deckbuild".
I used to post here in Standard General all the time. There were ideas. There was banter about play X if you have deck Y, but play A if you have deck B. Now it's just play X or you are going to lose, and it's a little disheartening. I still like the game, and I still play the game, but there is no reason for me to pay any attention to anything except what is the best card for slot X, slot Y, and slot Z. And those choices are alarmingly clear because of current design, and playing anything else means that you don't have the money for the better card, or you just Want To Be Different At FNM. Or you like losing.
What happened to Control? What happened to Combo? Why is all of this happening? To get new players? Are all new players putting money into this game just to attack with Mad Kreature? Does every good effect absolutely have to be an ETB ability or "on feet"?
I don't know. I don't really care, actually. But It's difficult to tell the person that taught me how to play Magic, the person that is the most passionate person about this game that I have ever me that "I don't care about most of the things and ideas that you are discussing because all that matters is what the best card for that slot is, and I don't care about or know of any other cards because most of my decks are not my own (like they used to be), but rather tweaked versions of things I know will win based on what people are playing in a particular area during a particular time".
It just seems like more things worked back then (and I've only been playing five years) than they do now. I don't like this direction, but like someone else said on the first page of this thread, who listens to us? Who listens to the people that only care about winning when they know we are just going to get the best cards anyway?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 13, 2012 - 10:54PM
#107
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Pretty heart-wrenching post. Well put.
RTR has shoes the size of standard's current narrowness to fill. Those are BIG SHOES.
Though must say, currently it's looking good.
As long as those Brainstorm reprint rumors aren't true, that is. Ha?
Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 14, 2012 - 12:41AM
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Pretty heart-wrenching post. Well put.
RTR has shoes the size of standard's current narrowness to fill. Those are BIG SHOES.
Though must say, currently it's looking good.
As long as those Brainstorm reprint rumors aren't true, that is. Ha?
One of the issues Standard has had in the last couple of years is the desparity that the "creatures matter" push had created. I'm not particularly against having good creatures, but by their nature they create game states that are an upset either way (mass removal or mass critters). This is probably why Avacyn Restored didn't "stick the landing", even though it was the only set in it's block that had "real spells" in it. Looking forward, I'm okay with Innistrad being as heavily into playing dudes and using combat tricks as it was, but I really don't want to play that again until the design is more primed to handle it with elegance. I like the way RtR looks, but I'm not going to hold my breath for the small set- hopefully it's a great set without many significant issues, but it looks set up to be a disappointment. I also find it amusing that the guy whose handle is a joke towards new players who think every deck needs 20 creatures is bothered by the game's growing disparity, even if I do share his sentiment somewhat (I've also been wondering which face of the world he fell off of).
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9 months ago ::
Sep 14, 2012 - 6:07AM
#109
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A large part of the problem Terror is that the Delver deck is just so powerful it makes playing anything else moot really. Control decks currently don't exsist unless you like losing 90% of your matches because you can't control the match.
I'm expecting RtR to shake things up, and haven't been this excited for a set release in a long time.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 14, 2012 - 7:24AM
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I'm expecting RtR to shake things up, and haven't been this excited for a set release in a long time.
I think it was back before SOM block was released, at about the time spoilers started or something that i made the prediction that standard wouldn't be a "fun", "diverse", or "interesting" format again until fall 2012.....
i really, really, really hope i'm right.
it gets really depressing when EVERY standard format for like the last 5 years has had a boogeyman. now i'm not much of an expert of formats past beyond say LOR-SDM block, but it seems like every format since has had at least that one deck that just punishes you for even considering anything else.
diversity.... like real, true diversity is something that hasn't been present in a LONG time.
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