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Aug 29, 2012 -- 2:04PM, Zokorad wrote:

Magic; a friend irl has told me that the the player with a better  deck wins 90% of the time; even when thedecks are so close to evenly matched in Yugioh.

I've been evenly matched with two people before another 75% were below my level the remainder were way better than me (in YGO)

Really the Magic Equivalent to a Field Spell is a Global Enchantment (ie. Layline of Singularity).

In my opinion although YuGiOh can be as skillful as magic, but it is not as flexible. For example, for what I played for YuGiOh, I was playing Dark World, which circumvents the tribute system through a Madness like "discard into play" effect. The Monsters of course were lower in stat than thoes that required tribute, but there were ways to work it(although certain cards like Jinzo HURT). It is stuff like that that can give YuGiOh strategy, but unlike magic, I find that alot of times it the set theme that wins out, where magic has more flexibility, and can end up with far more unusual themes.

Jan 16, 2013 -- 1:30PM, Kenku wrote:

Really the Magic Equivalent to a Field Spell is a Global Enchantment (ie. Layline of Singularity).

In my opinion although YuGiOh can be as skillful as magic, but it is not as flexible. For example, for what I played for YuGiOh, I was playing Dark World, which circumvents the tribute system through a Madness like "discard into play" effect. The Monsters of course were lower in stat than thoes that required tribute, but there were ways to work it(although certain cards like Jinzo HURT). It is stuff like that that can give YuGiOh strategy, but unlike magic, I find that alot of times it the set theme that wins out, where magic has more flexibility, and can end up with far more unusual themes.

Most YGO decks use some sort of base strategy but it only becomes flexible when you build your own deck or even more so in rogue decks. Tribute summons are considered inefficient and arent really used at this point. Yes in YGO there can be less flexibility. But that is because using and archetype is more effective than throwing together random cards that might not benefit all the cards in your deck.

Jan 16, 2013 -- 1:39PM, nyancat337 wrote:

Yes in YGO there can be less flexibility. But that is because using and archetype is more effective than throwing together random cards that might not benefit all the cards in your deck.

I think that's basically the point. Yugioh doesn't have as much room for creativity as Magic does. Most decks are just basic archtypes.

On the highly competitive level I think they take an equal amount of skill.  If we were talking about early Yugioh, It's not even close as that was an incredibly simplistic game.  It seems like most people in this thread are comparing it to their past experience with Yugioh, which was early on.

In Yugioh card advantage is MUCH more important than Magic.  Any card that lets you draw cards is extremely valuable and most of the good ones are banned.  This adds skill to the game.  One bad play that nets you a loss in card advantage can cost you the game, you have to know the safe (or safest) times to make your plays.  Any kind of card can be splashed into any deck, and in my opinion this makes it more skillful because you cant say "oh, he's not playing blue, he won't have any counter spells" you have to always be weary of a certain card type, you never know what your opponent might have.

To people saying you know what your opponent has when they have a facedown card, thats simply not true.  Obviously first of all because traps can be hundreds of different options and they are totally ignoring hand traps.

Also for people saying that there are not many card types, they probably have not played with Synchro or XYZ monsters.  These monsters come from the extra deck (15 cards you have to chose to fit in that either fit your strategy or situations you want to deal with) and are basically a tool box to deal with certain situation, and your opponent can't see them.  You can make these monsters in a variety of different ways with a variety of different main deck monsters/cards, but choosing the ones to include in your extra deck and which to bring out at which time is crucial.

Not to mention in the "Standard" format of Yugioh there are far more cards to chose from than in Magic's standard format.  Rogue decks with cards no one has played in years show up and shock all the time.  I see much more shocking top 16's/32's in Yugioh than in MTG.

Personally I like MTG more for how much better Wizards runs it, compared to Konami and Yugioh, and how much better the card art/flavor is.  It's also nice to have mulligans/drafting/different formats/etc.  However, I don't see how you can say one is more skill intensive than the other at the highest level.