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11 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2012 - 6:51AM #21
Acritter
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Aug 25, 2012 -- 12:28AM, fractal wrote:

Aug 24, 2012 -- 11:26PM, Fenix. wrote:

Aug 24, 2012 -- 8:00PM, fractal wrote:

Aug 24, 2012 -- 4:32PM, S1AL wrote:

As long as lapille doesn't start writing again we should be fine... but hey, this is the happiest news I've seen from latest developments in a long time


Even if you actually believe that (in my opinion, many of Zac's articles have been great), why would you say something that mean?


I think you can find the answer to that in his signature.


Being "not a nice person" isn't really an answer to my question, it just emphasizes the need for me to ask it.



Because although Zac Hill probably isn't everything that's wrong with R&D these days, he's certainly the face of it. He is the symbol of the arrogant poor judgment that R&D has shown over these past few years. As soon as he's gone, we'll transition to hating the next guy, because the problem isn't any one writer. It's the whole system they've built up over there.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2012 - 7:14AM #22
HavelockVetinari
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Haters gonna hate.  

Thanks for a great run, Zac. 

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2012 - 3:17PM #23
fractal
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Aug 25, 2012 -- 6:51AM, Acritter wrote:

Because although Zac Hill probably isn't everything that's wrong with R&D these days, he's certainly the face of it. He is the symbol of the arrogant poor judgment that R&D has shown over these past few years. As soon as he's gone, we'll transition to hating the next guy, because the problem isn't any one writer. It's the whole system they've built up over there.


Okay, I certainly agree that R&D has made some mistakes in recent years.  Mythic Rares, Titans, Jace, the Mind Sculptor , Snapcaster Mage are all Constructed mistakes that R&D made intentionally (unintentional Constructed mistakes like Delver of Secrets are a hallmark of Magic design since the beginning).  In terms of Limited, Avacyn Restored wasn't really a great format.  However, R&D has also done some things very well - Standard right now is quite diverse with interesting decks, and both Innistrad and M13 have been among the best sets ever for Limited (M13 is easily the best core set ever).  Zac has played a key role in a lot of those successes.

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Only Gold and Spells
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Merfolk Wizards
Izzet Guildmage / The Unspeakable Arcane Combo
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and his Wizards
Creatureless Wild Research / Reins of Power Madness
Creatureless Pyromancer Ascension
Anarchist Living Death
Anvil of Bogardan Madness
Shamen with Goblin Game / Wound Reflection Combo
Mass damage Quest for Pure Flame
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle / Clear the Land with 40+ Lands
Doubling Season Thallid s
Juniper Order Ranger Graft/Tokens
Elf Archer Druids
Equilibrium / Aluren Combo
Experiment Kraj Combo
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False Cure / Kavu Predator Combo
Savra, Queen of the Golgari Sacrifice/Dredge
Elf Warriors
Eight-Post
Sneak Attack Where Ancients Tread
Zur the Enchanter with Opal creatures
Tamanoa / Kavu Predator / Collapsing Borders
Esper Aggro
Mishra, Artificer Prodigy and his Darksteel Reactor
Theft and Control
Unearth Aggro
Soul's Fire Vampires
Devour Tokens
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 26, 2012 - 4:13AM #24
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Aug 25, 2012 -- 3:17PM, fractal wrote:

However, R&D has also done some things very well - Standard right now is quite diverse with interesting decks



Bald-faced lie. There is only aggro in Standard.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 26, 2012 - 11:05AM #25
fractal
Date Joined: Oct 23, 2003
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Aug 26, 2012 -- 4:13AM, Acritter wrote:

Aug 25, 2012 -- 3:17PM, fractal wrote:

However, R&D has also done some things very well - Standard right now is quite diverse with interesting decks


Bald-faced lie. There is only aggro in Standard.


That's not what I've seen at either PTQs or FNM.  There is also lots of aggro-control and midrange, a fair amount of control, and occasionally some comboish decks.  Even within the aggro decks, however, there are many different speeds and varieties of aggro.  It's a lot of fun - I'm glad that Constructed has finally joined Limited (my preferred format) in emphasizing the most interactive element of the game: creature combat.

Thanks to everyone who helped with the design of the plane of Golamo in the Great Designer Search 2!

My Decks Show
These are the decks I have assembled at the moment:

Tournament Decks (4) Show
Kicker Aggro (Invasion Block)
Sunforger / Izzet Guildmage Midrange (Ravnica/Time Spiral/Xth Standard)
Dragonstorm Combo (Time Spiral/Lorwyn/Xth Standard)
Bant Midrange (Lorwyn/Shards/M10 Standard)

Casual Multiplayer Decks (50) Show
Angel Resurrection
Casual Soul Sisters
Sindbad 's Adventures with Djinn of Wishes
Sphinx-Bone Wand Buyback
Morph (No Instants or Sorceries)
Cabal Coffers Control
Zombie Aggro
Hungry, Hungry Greater Gargadon / War Elemental
Flashfires / Boil / Ruination - Boom!
Call of the Wild
Teysa, Orzhov Scion with Twilight Drover , Sun Titan , and Hivestone Slivers
Rebels
Cairn Wanderer Knights
Only Gold and Spells
Captain Sisay Toolbox
Spellweaver Helix Combo
Merfolk Wizards
Izzet Guildmage / The Unspeakable Arcane Combo
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and his Wizards
Creatureless Wild Research / Reins of Power Madness
Creatureless Pyromancer Ascension
Anarchist Living Death
Anvil of Bogardan Madness
Shamen with Goblin Game / Wound Reflection Combo
Mass damage Quest for Pure Flame
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle / Clear the Land with 40+ Lands
Doubling Season Thallid s
Juniper Order Ranger Graft/Tokens
Elf Archer Druids
Equilibrium / Aluren Combo
Experiment Kraj Combo
Reap Combo
False Cure / Kavu Predator Combo
Savra, Queen of the Golgari Sacrifice/Dredge
Elf Warriors
Eight-Post
Sneak Attack Where Ancients Tread
Zur the Enchanter with Opal creatures
Tamanoa / Kavu Predator / Collapsing Borders
Esper Aggro
Mishra, Artificer Prodigy and his Darksteel Reactor
Theft and Control
Unearth Aggro
Soul's Fire Vampires
Devour Tokens
Phytohydra with Powerstone Minefield
Treefolk
Friendly? Questing Phelddagrif
Slivers
Dragon Arch Fun

I'm probably forgetting a few...

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 3:52PM #26
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Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:05AM, fractal wrote:

Aug 26, 2012 -- 4:13AM, Acritter wrote:

Aug 25, 2012 -- 3:17PM, fractal wrote:

However, R&D has also done some things very well - Standard right now is quite diverse with interesting decks


Bald-faced lie. There is only aggro in Standard.


That's not what I've seen at either PTQs or FNM.  There is also lots of aggro-control and midrange, a fair amount of control, and occasionally some comboish decks.  Even within the aggro decks, however, there are many different speeds and varieties of aggro.  It's a lot of fun - I'm glad that Constructed has finally joined Limited (my preferred format) in emphasizing the most interactive element of the game: creature combat.



To answer your earlier question: because I mean it. If you read Zac's articles between the lines, you'll notice a major, recurring theme: he believes it's cool to develop stuff because he wants it to be that way, not because it's actually good for the game. I despise that attitude.

On top of that, the arrogance in his writing is almost on the same level as LaPille's.

And to answer this post in particular: you really ought to pay more attention to what's winning, not what's being played. In my observation, 25% of any PTQ is just going to be random jank. Sometimes I contribute to that, so this is just me being dismissive. When people talk about the "Standard format" being stale and boring, they're generally talking about the decks that are actually good.

Oh, and the whole "creature combat is the most interactive element of the game" schtick is just completely wrong. Unless there are onboard tricks or spell tricks involved, creature combat is 100% predictable, and the winner of any engagement is already decided. The fact that both players are involved does not make something "interactive" in an actual gameplay sense. 

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 7:07PM #27
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So, in other words, aside from all of the factors which make creature combat incredibly interactive -- the engagement of both parties at the table, the tension between the value of what I know and the danger of what I don't, the opportunities created for bluffing and the application of sophistocated strategy and tactics to questions of when to attack and/or block (in terms of using it to manipulate the information you're giving your opponent) -- creature combat isn't interactive. 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 30, 2012 - 9:10PM #28
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I can tell by the screw up of linking this page, this post will probably never be read. But whatever.

I really respect Dave as a gamer, but shaving a point off primal surge just shows how out of touch you are with this game. That card either does nothing or wins the game. Either it cost too much to ever be relevent, or people cast it off hideaway lands or some other eternal quirk where the casting cost doesn't matter and vomits an entire permanent-filled deck onto the table. 

There is a trend in modern times to make cards that are insane like the casting cost balances it. It only does if you ingore all of Maro's past failures. Outside of that, the cards cost 4 or less, and ruin interaction.       
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 30, 2012 - 10:21PM #29
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Aug 30, 2012 -- 9:10PM, 12three45 wrote:

I can tell by the screw up of linking this page, this post will probably never be read. But whatever.

I really respect Dave as a gamer, but shaving a point off primal surge just shows how out of touch you are with this game. That card either does nothing or wins the game. Either it cost too much to ever be relevent, or people cast it off hideaway lands or some other eternal quirk where the casting cost doesn't matter and vomits an entire permanent-filled deck onto the table. 

There is a trend in modern times to make cards that are insane like the casting cost balances it. It only does if you ingore all of Maro's past failures. Outside of that, the cards cost 4 or less, and ruin interaction.       



Don't worry. You're not alone.

One thing you're not quite keeping in mind is that there are some decks (elf decks) that will try to hardcast the spell. With such a deck, lowering CMC by one could be the difference between casting it on time or a turn late. So it really depends on the cards surrounding your super spell.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 30, 2012 - 11:12PM #30
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I actually enjoyed reading this, thank you Mr. Humphreys for introducing yourself in such a detailed manner. I agree with MANY of your viewpoints and opinions on what is good for magic and what is not, when I can't say the same thing about Zac Hill's view on things. So (personally speaking) that's cool.

Also I want to add that I agreee 100% with Mr. LaPille and Lauer as far as Manriki-Gusari is concerned, it'd be nice to have an answer to Sword of X & Y in core sets.

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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

This is like someone coming into class with a bloody nose and everyone's like "Jeez what happened to you" and they're like "I ran into a wall" and everyone laughs at them for being an idiot but then at the end of the class they say "HAHA JUST KIDDING I PUNCHED MYSELF IN THE FACE!!!!!! TALK ABOUT OWNED HAHAHAHAHA"


Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.


Sorin walked into the chamber where his newly wed bride, Vampy, awaited. A beam of moonlight illuminated his brilliant silver hair as he strode with confidence towards the bed. His shirtless body showcased his powerful abdominal muscles and he was wearing jeans with holes in the knees.


Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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