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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 6:33AM
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His personality has no bearing on cannon. The use of Goat's Balls may.
I dunno, I think the approach of "That's what Tezzeret told me to write" and the absolute denial to address any criticism may have an impact on it.
No. Your dislike of the man does not impact cannon.
No, I'm with Barinellos. It might. It's like knowing that J Robert King was kinda nuts--anything that he wrote is automatically under suspicion based on his flippant disinterest in whether or not he was remaining true to the setting, just like anything in Onslaught is under suspicion because... King was nuts.
Also, where's the image of Ral you mentioned? I can't find it.
Oh god I have no time to look at this right now but EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
I'm super duper excited here, guys, you can't even imagine. So far the hook with Niv strikes me as interesting (and it reads to me like he is yes definitely very much not a Planeswalker, thank god), I like the art direction of Selesnya right now (although I think it's hilarious that the elementals are basically transported directly out of a Hayao Miyazaki movie), the time of turmoil seems good although I'm still a bit irked that they basically brought the Guilds back to life when their defeat was the whole point of the previous block...
Aaand now I have to go make mud bricks. Be back later.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 6:35AM
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All the guilds are utterly evil. That's what makes Ravnica so much fun.
I don't know, even back then, the Gruul seemed like the least evil guild.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 6:39AM
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I think the Golgari and the Izzet are the least evil. You know it's a **** world when the least evil people are the ones who sacrifice children and the ones that explode everything.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 6:57AM
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All the guilds are utterly evil. That's what makes Ravnica so much fun.
I don't know, even back then, the Gruul seemed like the least evil guild.
The murder-rape-pillage savages? The " I hurt you for eating with a fork  " guys? The " I like the sound you make as I kill you  " people? They like to smash  and to eat  people. The Gruul are the guild that most directly kill innocent bystanders and destroy public property. The Izzet at least do this only accidently  , not as their main purpose.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 7:08AM
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I think it is how hippocritical Selesnya are that is so interesting in this article. Also, looking forward to seeing what is going on with the Izzet and the frantic research happening at the moment. I just think it a bit of shame that one set couldn't have been between this one and the last Ravnica block, showing a bit of life without the guilds or their struggle to rebuild themselves. Probably would have been hard to do, but would be interesting.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 7:35AM
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All the guilds are utterly evil. That's what makes Ravnica so much fun.
I don't know, even back then, the Gruul seemed like the least evil guild.
The murder-rape-pillage savages? The " I hurt you for eating with a fork " guys? The " I like the sound you make as I kill you " people? They like to smash and to eat people.
The Gruul are the guild that most directly kill innocent bystanders and destroy public property. The Izzet at least do this only accidently , not as their main purpose.
I put them on the same level as eco-terrorists. Really, if they just had some wild places to roam, there wouldn't be a problem.
The Izzet term "Accident" is short hand for "Successfully Failed Experiment." If there are a thousand ways to fail at filling a light bulb with dragon-fire, the Izzet will try all thousand, with publicly disastrous results.....even after they already found the right way to do it. Don't get me wrong, I like the Izzet, though the Orzhov is my evil guild of choice. I just see them as as far more actively malicious than the Gruul.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 7:51AM
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I think the Gruul are tragic, but they are still evil. They were very much wronged and betrayed by everyone, but that doesn't justify their utter sadism, their mindless destruction, and their stupidity. They're only different from the Rakdos in that they genuinely feel themselves justified and don't worship demons in orgies.
The Orzhov are abhorrently evil, but they're considerably more benevolent.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 8:01AM
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No, I'm with Barinellos. It might. It's like knowing that J Robert King was kinda nuts--anything that he wrote is automatically under suspicion based on his flippant disinterest in whether or not he was remaining true to the setting, just like anything in Onslaught is under suspicion because... King was nuts.
Also, where's the image of Ral you mentioned? I can't find it.
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758..., the skunk stripe is pretty distinctive.
They have shown no interest in over throwing his canna (like they did with King's) so until it's contradicted Test of MEtal is cannon. There's a difference between being nuts, and being a jerk who couldn't take criticism.
All the guilds are utterly evil. That's what makes Ravnica so much fun.
I don't know, even back then, the Gruul seemed like the least evil guild.
The murder-rape-pillage savages? The " I hurt you for eating with a fork " guys? The " I like the sound you make as I kill you " people? They like to smash and to eat people.
The Gruul are the guild that most directly kill innocent bystanders and destroy public property. The Izzet at least do this only accidently , not as their main purpose.
I put them on the same level as eco-terrorists. Really, if they just had some wild places to roam, there wouldn't be a problem.
The Izzet term "Accident" is short hand for "Successfully Failed Experiment." If there are a thousand ways to fail at filling a light bulb with dragon-fire, the Izzet will try all thousand, with publicly disastrous results.....even after they already found the right way to do it.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Izzet, though the Orzhov is my evil guild of choice. I just see them as as far more actively malicious than the Gruul.
But the Izzet aren't doing it hurt anyone. The want to find the best way out of 1000, the gruul want to smash people and things. The motivation is important here if you are going with actively malicious. The Izzet aren't intending to hurt some one, but don't care if some one is. This isn't actively malicious, they aren't trying to hurt anyone. The Gruul on the otherhand want to hurt people, they want someone to hurt for them being outcasts. They are eco terrorists, and just like Poison Ivy, they actively seek to make people suffer for nature's plight. Want people to suffer, to cause chaos, is actively malicious. No matter the cause.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 8:03AM
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That said, the Izzet patron, Niv-Mizzet is actively malevolent, murdering people for the sake of being competitors.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 8:27AM
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I'm not sure it's so much that the Guilds are "evil" in any descriptively useful sense as that, compared to most other settings, we get to see daily life and the mechanisms of governance in much greater detail, and there's no outside inhuman Snidely Whiplash for them to fight. Is there any reason to suppose that Mirran or Innistradi (or for that matter our world's) institutions are less ruthless than Ravnican ones? Not that I can see. That said, the Izzet patron, Niv-Mizzet is actively malevolent, murdering people for the sake of being competitors.
Active malevolence would be if he hated people and murdered them for fun. Murdering one's competitors is just business.
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