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10 months ago  ::  Aug 26, 2012 - 8:38PM #31
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I could see them making another apperance if the phyrexians rediscover how to cross planes. But Wizards won't have that happen for a few years (probably 2-3 years, at least) because Nicol Bolas is the big bad guy, and they want to tap as much in terms of storyline as they can from him before they move on to Tezz/Phyrexia.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 4:20PM #32
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Aug 26, 2012 -- 9:24AM, The_Mirror_Owl wrote:

Well yeah.. losing, y'know, TEMPERED STEEL from out of Tempered Steel decks seems a might backbreaking.. or were you being sarcastic?

BW or Esper Tokens is gonna be a thing.  I've been saying this for months, but lawd help us all when Ratchet Bomb rotates.  As far as specific lists, obviously that's not even plausible at this point, but I'd just say picking up a couple extra sets of Lingering Souls would be perfectly prudent, since right now that card alone is the deck.



i'm pretty sure that junk colors is much more likely for a tokens deck than esper.  blue offers nothing, but green will offer a lot.... ALOT!

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 5:03PM #33
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Aug 27, 2012 -- 4:20PM, Burning_Forest wrote:


i'm pretty sure that junk colors is much more likely for a tokens deck than esper.  blue offers nothing, but green will offer a lot.... ALOT!



Talrand seems good.  Just to say.

Jun 19, 2012 -- 8:50PM, catowner wrote:

Welcome to 2012.  Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.

Sep 22, 2012 -- 5:59PM, Islands wrote:


Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 8:20PM #34
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Aug 27, 2012 -- 4:20PM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Aug 26, 2012 -- 9:24AM, The_Mirror_Owl wrote:

Well yeah.. losing, y'know, TEMPERED STEEL from out of Tempered Steel decks seems a might backbreaking.. or were you being sarcastic?

BW or Esper Tokens is gonna be a thing.  I've been saying this for months, but lawd help us all when Ratchet Bomb rotates.  As far as specific lists, obviously that's not even plausible at this point, but I'd just say picking up a couple extra sets of Lingering Souls would be perfectly prudent, since right now that card alone is the deck.



i'm pretty sure that junk colors is much more likely for a tokens deck than esper.  blue offers nothing, but green will offer a lot.... ALOT!




Favorable Winds and Drogskol Captain are good for Spirit token builds. Negate out of the sideboard also fights sweepers.

Edit: Then again, Triumph of the Hordes would be a neat way to win.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 9:52AM #35
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So... need Isolated Chapels, Woodland Cemeteries, Sorin LoI, Lingering Souls, Intangible Virture... I really think that the debate between WBU and WBG tokens deserves its own thread.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 10:02AM #36
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The catch is if you're using Blue for Favorable Winds and maybe Drogskol Captain do you really need Sorin if the only synnergy is making +1/0 emblems? Making vampires isn't very synergistic to the other two lord effects you'll use and as such you'll rarely get to ultimate him.


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10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 2:11PM #37
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Sorin LoI always seems like a win-more card to me.  He shines in the company of other planeswalkers, but on his own always seems to disappoint.  Ability #1 is okay, but the tokens don't fly.  Ability #2 is nice, but not amazing.  He's rarely around for his ultimate unless you have some other, better planeswalker on the board.


What's the expectation in Green for tokens in RtR?  Right now, that is basically nonexistent except for the oddball Kessig Cagebreakers.  Fungal Sprouting is kind of useful in Limited, but doesn't seem like it will get much play in Constructed.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 7:24PM #38
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You must not have been around for the original Ravnica, Xylove. There was this guild called Selesnya, white/green, that revolved around tokens. Their new ability is supposed to be "populate," which gives you copies of tokens.


So yeah, there will be tokens. As for cards in Innistrad, most of them are black or white, but we also get Garruk, who gives you a 2/2 wolf EVERY TURN.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 7:26PM #39
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You must not have been around for the original Ravnica, Xylove. There was this guild called Selesnya, white/green, that revolved around tokens. Their new ability is supposed to be "populate," which gives you copies of tokens.

So yeah, there will be tokens. 
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2012 - 8:44PM #40
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Aug 28, 2012 -- 10:02AM, Niche wrote:

The catch is if you're using Blue for Favorable Winds and maybe Drogskol Captain do you really need Sorin if the only synnergy is making +1/0 emblems? Making vampires isn't very synergistic to the other two lord effects you'll use and as such you'll rarely get to ultimate him.



Whoa sir, nobody ever said anything about Sorin.  I had a BW tokens deck a month or so ago, and freakin' Sorin of all things didn't make the cut.  He's just intensely bad.  I mean it's really impressive how bad he is.  At least Garruk 3.0 is a 4 mana removal spell at worst.  Maybe post rotation standard will be weak/slow/durdly enough, but now, heck no.  I will laugh Sorin out of town.

Jun 19, 2012 -- 8:50PM, catowner wrote:

Welcome to 2012.  Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.

Sep 22, 2012 -- 5:59PM, Islands wrote:


Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.

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