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Flag SleetFox August 19, 2012 3:26 PM PDT
Hybrid has been confirmed to be evergreen, but not used frequently.  I would be very surprised if it doesn't come back for every multicolored block ever.
Flag Enigma256 August 19, 2012 3:32 PM PDT
It didn't come back for Alara
Flag Magicmeow August 19, 2012 3:33 PM PDT
Hybrid mana cards have the disadvantage flavorwise that every color could get every mechanic. Red lifegain, blue burn, black counterspells, etc.
You smudge the lines between color identities.

But I like them nonetheless, as long as there aren't too many. You can spice up your deck quite nice without the need of splashing.
Flag Kranberries August 19, 2012 3:48 PM PDT
It was in alara reborn. There was a whole common cycle with it just off the top of my head.
Flag Enigma256 August 19, 2012 3:54 PM PDT
so it was...
Flag Dilleux_Lepaire August 19, 2012 4:03 PM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 3:48PM, Kranberries wrote:

It was in alara reborn. There was a whole common cycle with it just off the top of my head.




There were two cycle of multicolored hybrid cards. 

Flag TranscientMaster August 19, 2012 4:07 PM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 3:33PM, Magicmeow wrote:

Hybrid mana cards have the disadvantage flavorwise that every color could get every mechanic. Red lifegain, blue burn, black counterspells, etc.
You smudge the lines between color identities.

But I like them nonetheless, as long as there aren't too many. You can spice up your deck quite nice without the need of splashing.



No. Hybrid cards (in theory, at least) are cards that could be in either color individually as mono-color. For example, you'll never* see a lifegain spell or a burn spell, because one of those colors doesn't get the effect. Lightning Helix , for example, couldn't be printed as a hybrid card, since it's an effect from each color rather than one effect in both colors.

*Never as long as Mark Rosewater has a say, assuming they don't slip it ppast him like they did Augury Adept .

Flag an_endless_epidemic August 19, 2012 4:37 PM PDT
Can anyone tell what the mechanic on the Knight token is? It's not first strike; it's too short. I don't think it's vigilance either for the same reason. Anyone have light to shed on this?
Flag skot1420 August 19, 2012 5:42 PM PDT
It looks a lot like vigilance to me...only one letter hangs low near the beginning of the word just like vigilance...
Flag The_415_Raises_Gs August 19, 2012 6:00 PM PDT
I know it probably isn't hexproof, but I can't help but see that when I look at it...
Flag HairlessThoctar August 19, 2012 6:02 PM PDT
Augury Adept didn't slip past MaRo, he actively fought against it and (unfortunately) lost.
Flag DarkAvatar1018 August 19, 2012 6:37 PM PDT
I was at Gencon, but this is a large projector screen and I didn't see anything like that. I'm thinking if it's real, it must have been shown on Wednesday during some sort of presentation. Maybe most of the people there weren't big on spoilers.
Flag ChaosLight August 19, 2012 6:44 PM PDT
Meh, Adept was on color enough to me. White deserves some draw, and blue gets w/e the hell it wants for whatever reason it wants.
Flag CyberSpade August 19, 2012 6:44 PM PDT
I'm glad hybrid's back, liked it the first time.

Also, n00b question: does evergreen refer to a mechanic that recurrs in multiple sets but is not necessarily in the Core sets? Like gold cards?
Flag Kranberries August 19, 2012 6:51 PM PDT
Evergreen is a mechanic like trample. it can be used in any set. multicolored is not realy a mechanic.
Flag bigdingus August 19, 2012 8:06 PM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 6:44PM, CyberSpade wrote:

I'm glad hybrid's back, liked it the first time.

Also, n00b question: does evergreen refer to a mechanic that recurrs in multiple sets but is not necessarily in the Core sets? Like gold cards?




So is it confirmed Hybrid cards are back? I thought this was just rumor. If so, I'm excited since I wasn't playing the last time it was in standard. 

Flag HairlessThoctar August 19, 2012 8:08 PM PDT
Hybrid has been in every gold block since it's introduction, so there's precedence.

It's also hella popular.
Flag TranscientMaster August 20, 2012 12:04 AM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 6:02PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Augury Adept didn't slip past MaRo, he actively fought against it and (unfortunately) lost.



I use "slip past" in the general sense, not just the sneaky sense. Like an attack that slips past your defensive maneuvers and armor to stab you.

Flag AzureShade August 20, 2012 8:30 AM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 1:20PM, Helluminatus wrote:

Aug 19, 2012 -- 1:07PM, Magicmeow wrote:

So white knight token in RtR.
Azorius or Selesnya?
It feels more Azorius... so two guilds with a token subtheme maybe? (if Populate is legit)



Nah, selensia for sure, selensia has always been about tokens, not to mention that azorius is just the senate of ravnica.


That's an Azorious Knight if I ever saw one.  It's a blue-faced glowy dude in white armor.  It has Vigilance.  Also, Azorious totaly employ knights .

Flag deathbyblue August 20, 2012 8:51 AM PDT
I didnt see any mention of that multi colored card in the preview shot here. Doesn't that look like Nicol Bolas?
Flag HairlessThoctar August 20, 2012 9:19 AM PDT

Aug 20, 2012 -- 8:51AM, deathbyblue wrote:

I didnt see any mention of that multi colored card in the preview shot here. Doesn't that look like Nicol Bolas?



Nope.
It has a power and toughness.

Flag deathbyblue August 20, 2012 9:27 AM PDT

Aug 20, 2012 -- 9:19AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Aug 20, 2012 -- 8:51AM, deathbyblue wrote:

I didnt see any mention of that multi colored card in the preview shot here. Doesn't that look like Nicol Bolas?



Nope.
It has a power and toughness.


cool, I saw some massive horns on the head area and I could only guess.

Flag Kranberries August 20, 2012 9:38 AM PDT
I can tell it's red, but i can't tell the second color. I think it's black, but if it's from gatecrash then it's green.
Flag Helluminatus August 20, 2012 9:47 AM PDT

Aug 20, 2012 -- 9:38AM, Kranberries wrote:

I can tell it's red, but i can't tell the second color. I think it's black, but if it's from gatecrash then it's green.



It's black, it's easier to tell right about where the 2 colors meet at the text box, plus, it looks way too demonic to be Gruul. Plus, there wouldn't be a gatecrash card as a prize in RTR games day.

Flag skot1420 August 20, 2012 2:49 PM PDT
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Flag skot1420 August 20, 2012 2:54 PM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 5:42PM, skot1420 wrote:

It looks a lot like vigilance to me...only one letter hangs low near the beginning of the word just like vigilance...




Deff vigilance on the knight token...Rakdos guy looks like he's legendary.

Flag Enigma256 August 20, 2012 2:55 PM PDT
can you put the images in spoiler tags? they break the layout
Flag Darkwolfer2002 August 20, 2012 3:05 PM PDT
Well it is def hybrid mana the card in back is and pretty sure it uncommon. Looks like gameday is sticking with a theme.. uncommon for everyone rare for top 8.

Can't tell for sure but think maybe the g/w card is a shaman.
Flag The_415_Raises_Gs August 20, 2012 3:25 PM PDT

Aug 20, 2012 -- 2:54PM, skot1420 wrote:

Aug 19, 2012 -- 5:42PM, skot1420 wrote:

It looks a lot like vigilance to me...only one letter hangs low near the beginning of the word just like vigilance...




Deff vigilance on the knight token...Rakdos guy looks like he's legendary.


No, the type line is too short for "Legendary Creature - Demon".  I think it just says "Creature - Demon".

Flag CyberSpade August 20, 2012 5:05 PM PDT
@The new hybrid format- me gusta!
Flag Symar August 20, 2012 6:10 PM PDT
What new hybrid format? Those are extended-art gameday promos.
Flag AzureShade August 20, 2012 9:01 PM PDT

Aug 20, 2012 -- 6:10PM, Symar wrote:

What new hybrid format? Those are extended-art gameday promos.


He's excited because the new Standard format will have hybrid.

Flag Zokorad August 21, 2012 5:37 AM PDT
I really do not want Simic Kiora or Izzet Ral to be Planeswalkers, I prefer Boros Gideon and Azorius Jace and Gruul Chandra and New Golgari and New Dimir.
Flag The_415_Raises_Gs August 21, 2012 6:20 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:37AM, Zokorad wrote:

I really do not want Simic Kiora or Izzet Ral to be Planeswalkers, I prefer Boros Gideon and Azorius Jace and Gruul Chandra and New Golgari and New Dimir.


I'm going to try and not insult you (as much as I want to) but why would think that a) Chandra has anything to do with Ravnica or b) that Chandra has anything green in her personality?  There will be two walkers in RTR, one new, one old.  The old one is Jace.  There will be two walkers in Gatecrash, one new, one old.  The old one is Gideon.  I would be very surprised if there was more than one in "Sinker" with it being a small set.  This last walker could be new or old, but even if it's an existing walker, and then even if it is somehow Chandra, why on earth (err, Ravnica) would she be R/G?

Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 6:22 AM PDT
I think it is even confirmed that there is only 1 walker in Sinker

was there ever a small set with 2 walkers?
Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 6:26 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 6:22AM, Enigma256 wrote:

I think it is even confirmed that there is only 1 walker in Sinker

was there ever a small set with 2 walkers?




Nope.
Every small set with walkers has only had one.

Flag Zokorad August 21, 2012 6:29 AM PDT
1: Chandra is Ravincan see DOTP2013.
2: Chandra is definetely no Black.
3: Boros is already taken.
4: There is no place for an Izzet Walker to fit into the Pentagon.
5: There is no place for a Mono-Red Planeswalker either.
Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 6:35 AM PDT
if there is a second color for Chandra it is black
damage and discard is what Rakdos does, she'd fit right in

but it is very unlikely that she will show up, we already get 2 returning walkers in this block and possibly 2 semi-returning with Ral Zarek and Kiora Atua
Flag MisterDubs August 21, 2012 6:48 AM PDT
I really don't see how Kiora Atua fits into Ravnica, I mean her thing is sea-monsters and creatures of the deep, and correct me if I'm wrong but Ravnica doesn't have much sea if any at all. It would seem weird to debut her on a Plane without many/any sea-monsters. And if peoples reasoning for her being on Ravnica is that merfolk are now confirmed to be there then that is retarded thinking, Vampires are on Ravnica, that doesn't mean that Sorins going to turn up. I really don't think she will be on Ravnica as she doesn't fit the Plane at all.
Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 6:49 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 6:29AM, Zokorad wrote:

1: Chandra is Ravincan see DOTP2013.



No she's not.
She's been there, but from a decidedly non-urban plane.

2: Chandra is definetely no Black.



True

3: Boros is already taken.



True

4: There is no place for an Izzet Walker to fit into the Pentagon.



First of all, what are you talking about?
Second, Ral Zarek, who IS Ravnican

5: There is no place for a Mono-Red Planeswalker either.



Again, what are you talking about?

Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 6:54 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 6:48AM, MisterDubs wrote:

I really don't see how Kiora Atua fits into Ravnica, I mean her thing is sea-monsters and creatures of the deep, and correct me if I'm wrong but Ravnica doesn't have much sea if any at all. It would seem weird to debut her on a Plane without many/any sea-monsters. And if peoples reasoning for her being on Ravnica is that merfolk are now confirmed to be there then that is retarded thinking, Vampires are on Ravnica, that doesn't mean that Sorins going to turn up. I really don't think she will be on Ravnica as she doesn't fit the Plane at all.


there were 3 vampires total in original Ravnica

and walkers like Tamiyo, the Moon Sage perfectly show the concept of Planeswalkers, they don't have to have anything to do with the block, they might just be showing up to see what all the fuzz is about (kinda like us)
she could be the reason there are now Merfolk in Ravnica, for example
refugees from another plane or something

Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 6:59 AM PDT
Two reasons why Kiora won't be in Ravnica.

1. She reveres sea monsters. Ravnica has very little of that going on.
2. She's , but has nothing in common with Simic goals. R&D won't want to confuse people.
Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 7:00 AM PDT
I guess 2. seals it

I was just too exited to see Ral Zarek that I made jumping to conclusion an olympic sport
Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 7:03 AM PDT
I will admit however, that Simic has had an almost complete turnover of it's leadership, so IF the new leadership has a different raison d'etre, Kiora MIGHT have something to do with them.

But that's purely speculative at this point.
Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 7:05 AM PDT
how are the philosophies of the guilds even decided on?
sure, they have something to do with the colors, but you can take all those pairs in many different directions

do we know what guild the Merfolk belong to?
Flag Dilleux_Lepaire August 21, 2012 7:08 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 7:05AM, Enigma256 wrote:

how are the philosophies of the guilds even decided on?
sure, they have something to do with the colors, but you can take all those pairs in many different directions

do we know what guild the Merfolk belong to?




It's the same old guilds, it's confirmed. The merfolk in the pictures is the leader of the Simic.

Flag Jman22 August 21, 2012 7:14 AM PDT
there's merfolk in ravnica? 
Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 7:16 AM PDT
not in the original block, but there will be in RTR
Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 7:20 AM PDT
The Simic Guild's original purpose was to preserve life on Ravnica, but in the 10,000 years between the signing of the Guildpact and City of Guilds, they got pretty off track and turned into complete bastards, engineering plagues and kaiju and releasing them on the city to see what would happen.

The current leader is a merfolk woman named Zegana.

We don't know if her goals are closer to the original Simic vision or Momir 's mad science.
Flag Enigma256 August 21, 2012 7:25 AM PDT
Mad Science and Big Sea Monsters might go well together
Flag AzureShade August 21, 2012 7:36 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 6:59AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Two reasons why Kiora won't be in Ravnica.

1. She reveres sea monsters. Ravnica has very little of that going on.
2. She's , but has nothing in common with Simic goals. R&D won't want to confuse people.


Don't we also have a quote somewhere down in the FSL forums where Brady says that assuming Kiora wants anything to do with the Simic was the dumbest thing he's ever heard because her goals are so far removed from their goals?

Flag will_dice August 21, 2012 8:07 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:37AM, Zokorad wrote:

I really do not want Simic Kiora or Izzet Ral to be Planeswalkers, I prefer Boros Gideon and Azorius Jace and Gruul Chandra and New Golgari and New Dimir.



We already had W/U, U/B, B/R, R/G, W/B, RW


I want walkers for the other color combos - G/W, B/G*, G/U, U/R - before a second W/U, U/B or R/G.






* Garruk, the Veil-Cursed doesn't count!

Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 9:00 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 7:36AM, AzureShade wrote:

Don't we also have a quote somewhere down in the FSL forums where Brady says that assuming Kiora wants anything to do with the Simic was the dumbest thing he's ever heard because her goals are so far removed from their goals?




I'd forgotten about that.

Yep, Word of God, Kiora isn't on Ravnica.

Flag RxPhantom August 21, 2012 3:09 PM PDT
Regarding the full-art, red Game Day promo: am I the only one seeing hellions there?
Flag skot1420 August 21, 2012 4:33 PM PDT
Can someone please tell me why a planeswalker has to be affiliated with one of the guilds to make an appearance in rtr?  Because the moonsage was deff a werewolf or an angel right?
Flag Helluminatus August 21, 2012 4:54 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 4:33PM, skot1420 wrote:

Can someone please tell me why a planeswalker has to be affiliated with one of the guilds to make an appearance in rtr? Because the moonsage was deff a werewolf or an angel right?



It's all just hopes man, nothing to get in a tizzy over

Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 5:40 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 3:09PM, RxPhantom wrote:

Regarding the full-art, red Game Day promo: am I the only one seeing hellions there?




Looks like a demon to me;

Spoiler: Show

Flag skot1420 August 21, 2012 5:46 PM PDT
Checking google to see what tizzy means...

I just think that people are drawing conclusions that "x" planeswalker won't be included based on story line is naive...wizards has deff proven that when there's a will there's a way. Don't get me wrong I would love it if every planeswalker had a guild specific storyline...that would just make the story that much richer...on a side note this would be an epic opportunity  to make five multicolored walkers...
Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 5:53 PM PDT
They won't.

Mono-colored walkers would actually work better because they play nicer with the guilds.

A two-colored walker can only play with one guild, but a mono-colored walker plays nicely with four.
Flag DarkAvatar1018 August 21, 2012 5:53 PM PDT
Personally, I'm hoping for a 5-color planeswalker in Sinker. This would be the perfect time to do it since there will be plenty of fixing to make it playable in standard, assuming the shocklands are reprinted.

Also hoping for a 5-color Nephilim lord, but we can't have everything.
Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 5:57 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:53PM, DarkAvatar1018 wrote:

Personally, I'm hoping for a 5-color planeswalker in Sinker.




They're saving the first walker for the slivers .
#BaselessSpeculation.

Flag skot1420 August 21, 2012 6:45 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:53PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

They won't.

Mono-colored walkers would actually work better because they play nicer with the guilds.

A two-colored walker can only play with one guild, but a mono-colored walker plays nicely with four.




Thats a very valid point.

Flag HairlessThoctar August 21, 2012 6:58 PM PDT
Well, in theory anyway.

It'll probably be about half and half gold and mono walkers, like it was in Shards.
Flag CyberSpade August 21, 2012 8:19 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:53PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

They won't.

Mono-colored walkers would actually work better because they play nicer with the guilds.

A two-colored walker can only play with one guild, but a mono-colored walker plays nicely with four.




I agree with this. Design-wise the Planeswalkers will likely be mostly mono-colored (including Jace; still convinced he's Izzet, I know he's not red but I doubt they would advertise him like that only to basicly say, "NOPE LOL HE'S AZORIUS!!!"). This would work best with the set, while leaving creative free to say who's aligned with which guild (or no guild, which would be interesting).

Flag CyberSpade August 21, 2012 8:20 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:57PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:53PM, DarkAvatar1018 wrote:

Personally, I'm hoping for a 5-color planeswalker in Sinker.




They're saving the first walker for the slivers .
#BaselessSpeculation.




In what way are these two theories mutually-exclusive? >: )

Flag Black_Egg August 21, 2012 8:26 PM PDT
If slivers ever start planeswalking, we're all hosed. I'd rather fight Phyrexia or Eldrazi.
Flag Black_Egg August 21, 2012 8:50 PM PDT

Aug 20, 2012 -- 8:30AM, AzureShade wrote:

Aug 19, 2012 -- 1:20PM, Helluminatus wrote:

Aug 19, 2012 -- 1:07PM, Magicmeow wrote:

So white knight token in RtR.
Azorius or Selesnya?
It feels more Azorius... so two guilds with a token subtheme maybe? (if Populate is legit)



Nah, selensia for sure, selensia has always been about tokens, not to mention that azorius is just the senate of ravnica.


That's an Azorious Knight if I ever saw one.  It's a blue-faced glowy dude in white armor.  It has Vigilance.  Also, Azorious totaly employ knights .




I'd agree that it's likely to be an Azorius knight token. I don't think we should take the presence of a single token card to mean that Azorius will have a token theme or subtheme, however. Quite likely, it would be a monowhite card that could play nicely with Selesnya cards in draft.

Also, do keep in mind that Ravnica is freakishly non-tribalish. Selesnya didn't have any knights cards the first time around, but they definitely could on a second pass. They most certainly had soldiers:

Conclave Equenaut
Conclave Phalanx
Votary of the Conclave

Flag an_endless_epidemic August 21, 2012 8:53 PM PDT
Looking at the Demon promo: I can see why someone could see it as a hellion. It reminds me of broodmother honestly. Just a wee notch

Also, it appears to be a 6/6 with trample. 
Flag AzureShade August 21, 2012 10:12 PM PDT
The creature is a centar.  I just realized that after reading the new Planeswalker's Guide and seeing that Selesnia has horse-people.  You can see her horse body in the full art.
Flag metallix87 August 22, 2012 12:21 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Black_Egg wrote:

If slivers ever start planeswalking, we're all hosed. I'd rather fight Phyrexia or Eldrazi.



I don't think that's an issue. Slivers, like Angels, are artificially created life, and thus can not have sparks.

Flag JohnnyAllStar August 22, 2012 12:31 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:57PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:53PM, DarkAvatar1018 wrote:

Personally, I'm hoping for a 5-color planeswalker in Sinker.




They're saving the first walker for the slivers .
#BaselessSpeculation.




Don't tell anyone, but the sliver queen survived, and is living happily with her new brood in some backwater plane.  She found her spark just in time.

Flag Symar August 22, 2012 4:05 AM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 6:58PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Well, in theory anyway.

It'll probably be about half and half gold and mono walkers, like it was in Shards.




Hybrid walkers! That way they're playabale in 8 guilds! And I just want some hybrid cost walkers.

Flag Enigma256 August 22, 2012 4:09 AM PDT
with Reaper King 's mana cost it's playable in all guilds!
Flag The_415_Raises_Gs August 22, 2012 4:50 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 4:05AM, Symar wrote:

Aug 21, 2012 -- 6:58PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Well, in theory anyway.

It'll probably be about half and half gold and mono walkers, like it was in Shards.




Hybrid walkers! That way they're playabale in 8 guilds! And I just want some hybrid cost walkers.


This is what I was thinking.  Alara Reborn has set precident already for costs like .  I think it is very likely we will see that again, possibly on a walker.

Flag Enigma256 August 22, 2012 5:00 AM PDT
probably on the Sinker walker
or maybe they make a transguild walker
Flag Magicmeow August 22, 2012 5:18 AM PDT
Maybe they'll reprint Spirit of Resistance .
It loves multicolor and especially Transguild Courier .
I've a foil one, nobody seems to remember this card anymore.
Flag Nivean_Dauphin August 22, 2012 5:39 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 12:21AM, metallix87 wrote:

Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Black_Egg wrote:

If slivers ever start planeswalking, we're all hosed. I'd rather fight Phyrexia or Eldrazi.



I don't think that's an issue. Slivers, like Angels, are artificially created life, and thus can not have sparks.




Actually, that is not at all clear.  It seems compatible with what we know that the original slivers evolved on some strange, unknown world and got stuck on Rath like everything else there.  The larger problem with a walker that was a sliver is that sentient slivers are far rarer than 'walkers. And the queen was very alien and not all that bright, and so would make a poor character, if they continue the idea of having walkersn represent relatable characters.

Flag HairlessThoctar August 22, 2012 9:21 AM PDT
I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.
Flag AzureShade August 22, 2012 9:24 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 9:21AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.


Slivers as a whole gain the power to Planar Overlay !  Run!

Flag Helluminatus August 22, 2012 10:33 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 9:21AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.



I see it more as a hive mind that is gaining power, that is driven to more effective and thought-out strategy than "consume" or "overrun"

Flag Darkwolfer2002 August 22, 2012 10:39 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 9:21AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.




I'm not able to see the flavor in making a sliver PW. Since slivers share all abilities, "All slivers are able to PW" seems like a bad rehash of a b-rated monster movie.

Maybe a huminoid PW who is obsessed and lives among slivers might make some retarded sense... still, no


They day WotC prints the sliver PW is the day magic dies.    

Flag Helluminatus August 22, 2012 11:20 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 10:39AM, Darkwolfer2002 wrote:

Aug 22, 2012 -- 9:21AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.




I'm not able to see the flavor in making a sliver PW. Since slivers share all abilities, "All slivers are able to PW" seems like a bad rehash of a b-rated monster movie.

Maybe a huminoid PW who is obsessed and lives among slivers might make some retarded sense... still, no


They day WotC prints the sliver PW is the day magic dies.    



Woah man, I don't think it'll ever happen either, but try and choose your words, that's a bit harsh what you just said.

Flag Darkwolfer2002 August 22, 2012 11:52 AM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 11:20AM, Helluminatus wrote:

Aug 22, 2012 -- 10:39AM, Darkwolfer2002 wrote:

Aug 22, 2012 -- 9:21AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.




I'm not able to see the flavor in making a sliver PW. Since slivers share all abilities, "All slivers are able to PW" seems like a bad rehash of a b-rated monster movie.

Maybe a huminoid PW who is obsessed and lives among slivers might make some retarded sense... still, no


They day WotC prints the sliver PW is the day magic dies.    



Woah man, I don't think it'll ever happen either, but try and choose your words, that's a bit harsh what you just said.




Yeah, you're right. I'm projecting my hatred of Slivers and what they did to me when I was a noob in 9th grade just learning the game. Still, I think it would be a bad idea, hatred put aside.

Flag HairlessThoctar August 22, 2012 2:25 PM PDT
The sliver leader is frequently an exception to the "all slivers [blah]" template.

Sliver Queen
Sliver Overlord

And besides, if one Sliver happened to have a spark, that wouldn't copy to other slivers. A spark is a unique condition of the soul. It's not physical, it's metaphysical.
Flag Darkwolfer2002 August 22, 2012 2:57 PM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 2:25PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

The sliver leader is frequently an exception to the "all slivers [blah]" template.

Sliver Queen
Sliver Overlord

And besides, if one Sliver happened to have a spark, that wouldn't copy to other slivers. A spark is a unique condition of the soul. It's not physical, it's metaphysical.




Valid points. I still don't have to like it though right? :D Suppose the higher-functioning slivers are sentient?

Flag HairlessThoctar August 22, 2012 3:02 PM PDT
Karn " reasoned " with the Sliver Queen , so she was at least somewhat intelligent.

The Overlord was basically just a big sliver, a giant bundle of instincts and, er, slivers.

Flag The_415_Raises_Gs August 22, 2012 3:17 PM PDT

Aug 22, 2012 -- 10:39AM, Darkwolfer2002 wrote:

Aug 22, 2012 -- 9:21AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I'm basing my Sliver-walker theory primarily on Sliver Legion 's flavor text.




I'm not able to see the flavor in making a sliver PW. Since slivers share all abilities, "All slivers are able to PW" seems like a bad rehash of a b-rated monster movie.

Maybe a huminoid PW who is obsessed and lives among slivers might make some retarded sense... still, no


They day WotC prints the sliver PW is the day magic dies.    


Naw, it'll die when they print a shark planeswalker with a +1 jump ability.  But seriously, I don't how many Sliver fans there are, a Sliver walker would be pretty stupid...

Flag CyberSpade August 22, 2012 5:12 PM PDT

Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Black_Egg wrote:

If slivers ever start planeswalking, we're all hosed. I'd rather fight Phyrexia or Eldrazi.




What about Slipheldrexi?

Flag bay_falconer August 26, 2012 1:34 PM PDT

Aug 19, 2012 -- 8:08PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Hybrid has been in every gold block since it's introduction, so there's precedence.

It's also hella popular.




Spikes love anything that increases the odds the card won't just be a dead card.

Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:19PM, CyberSpade wrote:

Aug 21, 2012 -- 5:53PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

They won't.

Mono-colored walkers would actually work better because they play nicer with the guilds.

A two-colored walker can only play with one guild, but a mono-colored walker plays nicely with four.




I agree with this. Design-wise the Planeswalkers will likely be mostly mono-colored (including Jace; still convinced he's Izzet, I know he's not red but I doubt they would advertise him like that only to basicly say, "NOPE LOL HE'S AZORIUS!!!"). This would work best with the set, while leaving creative free to say who's aligned with which guild (or no guild, which would be interesting).




Jace's current mechanics play with the Izzet (card draw) or the Dimir (milling). Maybe Azorius, since JTMS was the control element of Caw-Blade, but JTMS was about it.

Aug 22, 2012 -- 4:05AM, Symar wrote:

Hybrid walkers! That way they're playabale in 8 guilds! And I just want some hybrid cost walkers.




7 guilds. A walker would play nicely whether he's keeping the law with the Boros, breaking the law with the Orzhov, having an orgy with the Rakdos, doing crazy stuff with the Izzet, annoying your opponent with the Azorius, smashing society with the Gruul, or revering life with the Selesnya. He could not, however, destroy minds with the Dimir, make viruses with the Simic, or see the Dead with the Golgari.

Flag Khias August 26, 2012 11:03 PM PDT
I can't remember any game in recent history that Chandra of any version was even played against me.  Also, I can't remember any game in even longer that I was ever affraid of a Chandra of any version that hit the board.  Don't argue about Chandra being a new printed pw, because she's always terribad, and no one wants to play her.  Maybe Wizards should focus more on printing a couple good planeswalkers, rather than printing a ton of crap ones that fill up my boosters with dung that I trade away.  I say stick to quality, and stop calling things like Tibalt mythic.  At least if you print crap make it good by printing cards that specifically make it better.
Flag Helluminatus August 26, 2012 11:10 PM PDT

Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:03PM, Khias wrote:

I can't remember any game in recent history that Chandra of any version was even played against me.  Also, I can't remember any game in even longer that I was ever affraid of a Chandra of any version that hit the board.  Don't argue about Chandra being a new printed pw, because she's always terribad, and no one wants to play her.  Maybe Wizards should focus more on printing a couple good planeswalkers, rather than printing a ton of crap ones that fill up my boosters with dung that I trade away.  I say stick to quality, and stop calling things like Tibalt mythic.  At least if you print crap make it good by printing cards that specifically make it better.



To be fair, Rakdos might make tibalt playable

Flag ChaosLight August 26, 2012 11:12 PM PDT
Tibalt is mythic for flavor reasons, and because he's a half demon wearing a suit. A goddamn suit! Best card ever.
Flag Darkwolfer2002 August 27, 2012 8:25 AM PDT

Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:12PM, ChaosLight wrote:

Tibalt is mythic for flavor reasons, and because he's a half demon wearing a suit. A goddamn suit! Best card ever.




I like the card and flavor. Hate the random. They should have just made him 3 CMC and got rid of random clause.

Flag HairlessThoctar August 27, 2012 10:41 AM PDT

Aug 27, 2012 -- 8:25AM, Darkwolfer2002 wrote:

Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:12PM, ChaosLight wrote:

Tibalt is mythic for flavor reasons, and because he's a half demon wearing a suit. A goddamn suit! Best card ever.




I like the card and flavor. Hate the random. They should have just made him 3 CMC and got rid of random clause.




He's a devil, he doesn't care about you.

Flag Helluminatus August 27, 2012 11:25 AM PDT

Aug 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Aug 27, 2012 -- 8:25AM, Darkwolfer2002 wrote:

Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:12PM, ChaosLight wrote:

Tibalt is mythic for flavor reasons, and because he's a half demon wearing a suit. A goddamn suit! Best card ever.




I like the card and flavor. Hate the random. They should have just made him 3 CMC and got rid of random clause.




He's a devil, he doesn't care about you.



Only about lookin' gewd.

Flag ChaosLight August 27, 2012 2:55 PM PDT

Aug 27, 2012 -- 11:25AM, Helluminatus wrote:

Aug 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Aug 27, 2012 -- 8:25AM, Darkwolfer2002 wrote:

Aug 26, 2012 -- 11:12PM, ChaosLight wrote:

Tibalt is mythic for flavor reasons, and because he's a half demon wearing a suit. A goddamn suit! Best card ever.




I like the card and flavor. Hate the random. They should have just made him 3 CMC and got rid of random clause.




He's a devil, he doesn't care about you.



Only about lookin' gewd.






This was worth the wasted hour

Flag Helluminatus August 27, 2012 2:59 PM PDT
7/10 no top hat.
Flag ChaosLight August 27, 2012 3:02 PM PDT

Aug 27, 2012 -- 2:59PM, Helluminatus wrote:

7/10 no top hat.




Too formal, and his horns look terrible cutting through a top hat.

Flag kashonismw August 29, 2012 5:32 AM PDT
Lol, that art made my day.
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