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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 9:52AM #11
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 12:59PM #12
chronego
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 2:55AM, Flopfoot wrote:

The smaller set size means less possibilities. And when R&D wants a card played these days they make it really obvious (Geist of Saint Traft) whereas back then they were much subtler and we sometimes missed the cards they thought would be good - most of the best cards were accidents (Tarmogoyf). Plus in terms of budget, it helped that there were no mythics back in Ravnica and that the most expensive cards were the lands, which drove down the price of other rares - budget players don't mind using a slightly worse mana base than the competitive decks, so they are more willing to be experimental, whereas these days they don't feel so happy because they can see that the other person has geist of saint traft and they have wind drake. Another thing I'm not sure if it has affected the diversity of the meta is R&D's increased hatred/caution of combo decks. Of course you don't want to risk another Academy these days with such a big player base it could have worse consequences than the real Academy did. But having no combo decks cuts out an entire archetype and gives people a lot more confidence about what they are going to face.


All of this, and more.

There's also their push for focusing more on Limited design, which leaves fewer cards per set Constructed playable. They've hinted (or outright stated) quite a few times that cards have been costed higher, or had their effect weakened, for the sake of Limited. They also include cards (like Bountiful Harvest ) that are terrible in both formats, to make Draft less mind-blowing (instead of 14 choices, each Bountiful Harvest or similar reduces the options to consider by one).

And then there's New World Order. By taking a lot of the complexity out of Common, there are a lot fewer playable cards in Common. After all, Complexity usually means options. Why run a Common card that can do only one thing in your deck, when you can grab a Rare or Mythic Rare that fulfills a lot more roles at once? Why run Vorstclaw when you could instead run Primeval Titan or Soul of the Harvest ? The only Commons that get played any more tend to be those with no analogue in higher rarities: Counterspells, Pinpoint Removal, Bounce, and the like.

Additionally, there's the advent of Planeswalkers. Or, more accurately, their push to make Planeswalkers the "face of the game", which tends to translate into them pushing the power level of their Planeswalkers to guarantee that they see play. By pushing this handful of cards to be Constructed playable, they decrease options for deckbuilders.

Finally, on a related note, is their policy regarding Mythic Rares in general. They've outright stated that they are nicer to their Mythics, that they like to give them "square stats" (which is to say power and toughness equal to converted mana cost). So, while Uncommon has to pay six for a 4/4 haste flyer, Mythic Rare is allowed to get a 5/5 haste flyer with more upside for just five mana .

All of these policies lend towards a smaller pool of Constructed playable cards, and worse, an increased gap in the power level between the playables and the non-playables. It's no wonder the metagame tends to be much less diverse these days.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 4:53PM #13
Amarsir
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Speaking of diversity, let's acknowledge that at this past weekend's world cup, 12 of the top 16 and 8 of the top 8 Block Constructed decks were all Jund.  That's Block, the constructed format they can most easily control.

Now yes, players have much more collective testing power and will of course find the best deck.  But it says something about the unbeatability of certain cards (and lack of answers in general)  when, knowing that your opponents are doing something, it's better to join them than try to beat it.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 9:14PM #14
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 1:58AM, Acritter wrote:

1) It Adds Strategic Depth


I should begin by stressing that lack of complexity doesn't necessarily reduce strategic depth. There are ways to create strategic depth without relying on complexity. With that caveat out of the way, complexity, when used properly, can add a lot of robustness to a game. It allows you to add in interesting corner cases and it gives you the freedom to let each part of the game take up the space it wants.



This, this, THIS. I think that you guys have lost sight of this in recent times. A perfect example of a complex but not deep card: Bonfire of the Damned . It's fairly complex on the surface. "Is it playable for its non-Miracle cost? Does the Miracle cost offset that?" Once you strip that away and get to understand the card, though, it becomes horribly shallow: "Oh hey, I drew Bonfire. Let's sweep the board." "I've got 5 mana, let's kill his Huntmaster, Wolf, and mana dork." Meanwhile, we're losing cards like Doom Blade ("Does he have a Doom Blade? If he doesn't, then I can double block his Grave Titan with my first strike Golems and kill it. But if he does, I'm going to lose my Blade Splicer and both Golems, and his four Zombies will overrun me next turn. So is he bluffing?"). The control elements that are being neutered are reducing some complexity of the game, like whether you need to play around counterspells, but it's severely reducing depth. That won't be good in the long run.




Aug 20, 2012 -- 4:53PM, Amarsir wrote:

Speaking of diversity, let's acknowledge that at this past weekend's world cup, 12 of the top 16 and 8 of the top 8 Block Constructed decks were all Jund.  That's Block, the constructed format they can most easily control.

Now yes, players have much more collective testing power and will of course find the best deck.  But it says something about the unbeatability of certain cards (and lack of answers in general)  when, knowing that your opponents are doing something, it's better to join them than try to beat it.




I like it when other users say everything I was going to say.


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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

This is like someone coming into class with a bloody nose and everyone's like "Jeez what happened to you" and they're like "I ran into a wall" and everyone laughs at them for being an idiot but then at the end of the class they say "HAHA JUST KIDDING I PUNCHED MYSELF IN THE FACE!!!!!! TALK ABOUT OWNED HAHAHAHAHA"


Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.


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Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 1:21AM #15
nikosison
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 4:53PM, Amarsir wrote:

Speaking of diversity, let's acknowledge that at this past weekend's world cup, 12 of the top 16 and 8 of the top 8 Block Constructed decks were all Jund.  That's Block, the constructed format they can most easily control.

Now yes, players have much more collective testing power and will of course find the best deck.  But it says something about the unbeatability of certain cards (and lack of answers in general)  when, knowing that your opponents are doing something, it's better to join them than try to beat it.




I think that says that they're willing to sacrifice diversity in block for diversity in standard (which is pretty diverse).  SOM block was dominated by tempered steel and INN block is dominated by Jund, but together with M12/M13 they combine for one of the most diverse standards since Ravinca at least.

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