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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 8:58AM
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Why shouldn't Wizards up the price on these?
The big online retailers and even some local brick and mortor retailers just price gouge the From the Vault: Realms.
Wizards tried to give us good deals on reprints but it would seem that greed, the nature of supply and demand, and many price gouging retailers have ruined it.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 1:03PM
#32
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Why shouldn't Wizards up the price on these?
The big online retailers and even some local brick and mortor retailers just price gouge the From the Vault: Realms.
Wizards tried to give us good deals on reprints but it would seem that greed, the nature of supply and demand, and many price gouging retailers have ruined it.
FTV is a way to get some cards in circulation but more so a thank you to loyal card stores. If they wanted it to be a good deal for the players they would of printed more and sold in target/walmart/etc as well as the card stores. That would keep the initial price down.
Also, the Premium decks were sold in big box stores. Are these going to be sold there, or is it just another thank you to the card stores? That will determine if you get these at MSRP or if its double the MSRP.
I am still wondering why wizards tries to push the oversized cards so much? Do people actually play them? The only way I could think of maybe being interested in the oversized cards is if they were oversized reserved list cards. Even then, still can't play them.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 7:52AM
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The solicitation info says advanced stores can get 4 of this, and the other level can only get 2.
I wonder why they're limiting it so much?
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10 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 8:58AM
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The solicitation info says advanced stores can get 4 of this, and the other level can only get 2.
I wonder why they're limiting it so much?
Threw together a bunch of junk nobody really wants, but if they limit the amount a lot then it can sell for a lot and it looks better and looks like people want it?
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10 months ago ::
Sep 05, 2012 - 4:57PM
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i love you guys, i love EDH/Commander moreso than any other format...
but i hope this product tanks.
super limited print run for a casual format product?
$75 msrp? (and we all know with such a limited availability, there's about a snowball's chance in hell you'll get one for msrp)
filled with a bunch of useless crap nobody wants? (nobody cares about oversized cards or all those counters....i'll give you that the life counter is pretty sweet, though)
you guys could have ditched the "extras", included a handful of EDH staples, made it widely available, and still probably made as much money or more than you will off this pile.
even if it's filled with lots of goodies that players would want, so what- the two-to-four richest mtg players/collectors in my entire city might get this (assuming they don't just get cannibalized for singles by the LGS)?
i think most of us had envisioned something akin to "Deck Builder's Toolkit for Commander" instead of "a few good cards and a bunch of swag that is less available than FTV for twice the price--or more." i'm pretty sure that product would have sold like hotcakes.
not really sure wtf you guys were thinking with this one.
oh well, can't wait for the real commander product for the real commander players to come out next year. : /
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10 months ago ::
Sep 05, 2012 - 8:13PM
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I don't care if it's got Black Lotus  , Jace, the Mind Sculptor  or the flipping Holy Grail in it; $75 is more than I'm going to spend! (If you can't tell, I'm kinda cheap).
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 12:14AM
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The oversized cards are essentially valueless to players.
Quoting this for truth. The only oversized cards I hold in any value, are the planechase planes. I think the promo ones are bit pricy too.
Functional oversized prints of the generals are rather stupid. The normalsized version of the general is easier to transport and there are other issues too:
"Here is my general! She's oversized!"
" spin into myth  it."
"Errr.... um"
If WoTC would really want to give us something juicy, give us normal-sized alternate art versions of the generals instead. I personally would be ready to kill for an alternate art foil Steve Argyle Mayael the Anima. Just think about this for a second.
ps. Its not completely stupid idea to sell overpriced commander products though, since there are some people who are actually into commander because they can play with all the broken cards.. People who otherwise play only legacy etc. These people actually have money.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 7:29PM
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I may have said this earlier in the thread, but we don't really know if it's overpriced yet. I'm hoping things will be on Sylvan Library  's level, and not The Mimeoplasm  .
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10 months ago ::
Sep 13, 2012 - 8:47AM
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Someone earlier in the thread asked who this was for, "This will be a limited print run product, meant for the collectors and the avid Commander players."
I find that statement to be funny. If they wanted this product to be for "Avid Commander players" you wouldn't severly limit the production run. Also avid Commander players have no use for oversized cards and most of us use dice as counters.
If you knew nothing about MTG and looked at that on the shelf for $75 and read the contents you would laugh! It just seems that Wizards is a bit out of touch with the whole concept of EDH / Commander. The took a casual, player created format and commercialized it because they saw an opportunity to make some $$$. I have no problem with that aspect at all, go ahead and make some money we all want to do that, but $75 for a handful of playable cards and some trinkets seems to be a bit much. Gouging the people that keep you in business seems to be a poor business model.
I have no intention of spending that kind of money on a product like that. Even if it did have a black lotus or other insanely wonderful cards, because you know by the time the vendors priced them you'd be spending $300 for that same box.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 15, 2012 - 9:31AM
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AFter looking at Boxed Products for a while now (Love the Duel Decks series, sad that Premium Deck Series: Blue will not be a thing :'( ) I have come to these conclusions about what things should count when you consider MSRP or not: For Fat Packs/Intro Packs/Deckbuilder's Toolboxes/Duel Decks: Packs themselves: (8 or 9x 4ea. = $32-36 of 'real product') Dice: $2-3 Pre-Boxed Mythics: $25 between the two Foil Rares: Ideally $5 Uncommons: Duel Decks- free/Intro Packs: $5 Commons (Any): Free Lands (except Rares): Free Player's Guide, Learn to Play Guide, 'Flavor' Inserts: Free Handsome MTG-style Boxes: Free What the actual prices come out to is pretty close to these numbers I use for valuing. I haven't crunched the numbers on the Commander, Archenemy, or Planechase boxes (compared contents :to: what I'd pay for that :to: what I'm asked to pay for that). Planechase and Archenemy Oversized Cards are actually great to have- cuz they're new, necessary game components for the format. Oversized Commanders seem to be a Vorthos Call--it's the difference between 1 art and another, sometimes it's a big deal to a person, and some people just hate them. I think any/all/if Commons AND Uncommons (even greats like Sol Ring, Lightning Greaves, etc) Commander's Arsenal should ideal come up 'Free' once we have the whole contents of the Box known. For Rares, I'd add up your accepted price averages for what the rares should be worth, then call that number 'R$'. For the Oversized Cards, I'd value them at half what their non-Oversized versions cost--better than zero, because it's 'things', but not as good as they ought to be, because the secondary market isn't valuing them unless they're in Foil (See Helvault Scandal). Call this number 'O$'. I am hoping that 'O$ + R$' comes close to $40-$50. Which won't be 75, but hey, it's not bad either? I think looking at From the Vault Dice, we can value this Super Life Die at $5-$7 reasonably, and some people might pay $10+ for it. I think more than 10 is a silly for a die, but it IS a big die...Everything else other than physical cards and the die I think should hopefully count as Free if you look at what you get in the Box (the Box should always, always, always be free. Players need Boxes. Look at how they started adding cheapo Boxes to Duel Decks and Fat Packs. Even really NICE Boxes should be Free. Never count the Box as even .50. From the Vault empty Boxes should be no more than $3. (What things are worth is always less than what they actually sell for)) Sylvan Library is a very fine Rare, and if you value Command Tower in the same bracket as Sylvan Library and imagine what a new art foil of it might be worth, then $40 for a handfull of cards is like just the rares out of 2 Duel Decks products or 2 Premium Decks products, or about half of a Vault box. That could be pretty sweet. I am annoyed at how Deck Sleeves cost money, since increasingly as you own....well...non-junk cards, sleeves feel like a Need more than a Bonus, like how Boxes feel like a Need after your Entire Collection consists of more than 60 cards--you know, like if you go to a SINGLE event of any size like a Pre-Release....but...Sleeves apparently are being valued at somewhere between 2x to 3x what Dice are. $2-3 to Sleeve 1 deck, $10 to dress it in something nicer than Wal-Mart shoes? I'm not saying your sleeves need to be uber-blingy, but I hope sleeves get some love in a way that makes them cheaper soon....the MAGIC cardback sleeves....those could be 'Free with Booster Boxes'. That'd be swell 
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