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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 2:52PM
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They're not Oversized,the middle packet of sleeves is lined up with Azusa pretty well, and Azusa's card extends past it on top and bottom.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 3:18PM
#52
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They're not Oversized,the middle packet of sleeves is lined up with Azusa pretty well, and Azusa's card extends past it on top and bottom.
That's a close call. Now look at the Sylvan Library against the sleeves. They are much bigger than the standard-sized cards... unless it is some sort of optical illusion or a really bad photoshop mash-up.
EDIT - Upon closer inspection, they look too small for the over-sized cards and too big for the standard-sized cards.
Gold-bordered traditional cards and oversized cards are fair game though.
You know, I'd entirely forgotten about the oversized cards exemption...
What Reserved List generals would make this worth $75?
None. The reason over-sized cards are useless is because things  like  this  exist  . If they can't print a standard-sized card to accompany the over-sized one (as they did in the Commander precons), that means you have to proxy a standard-sized one in the event that someone uses one of these effects (which are popular in EDH, as they are the best way to handle problem Generals), which is technically against the law. So, what Wizards is telling us is either that we need to buy standard-sized versions of the over-sized cards that are in this product to get any use out of the over-sized ones, or we need to break the law. Just another example of Wizards breaking their own rules. BTW, Wizards' marketing staff anf perhaps some of design/R&D needs to get canned. When a forum site full of avid EDH players denounces a product targeted directly at them, somebody did a horrible job at their job...
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 4:13PM
#53
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Aug 25, 2011
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You know, I'd entirely forgotten about the oversized cards exemption...
What Reserved List generals would make this worth $75?
None. The reason over-sized cards are useless is because things like this exist . If they can't print a standard-sized card to accompany the over-sized one (as they did in the Commander precons), that means you have to proxy a standard-sized one in the event that someone uses one of these effects (which are popular in EDH, as they are the best way to handle problem Generals)
Yeah I know those kinds of effects are common in EDH, I play quite a bit of it.
However, I'm not sure that the oversized cards and the regular sized cards will overlap I also can't think of any cards they can put in that would make them think they can charge DOUBLE a FTV without slipping in a reserved list reprint or two... Yeah they'll still be pretty much useless but kinda cool to own.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 4:57PM
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They sould give you over sized sleeves I hate playing planechase and destroying the edges. I dish out money regularly on edh crap and this screams don't buy me. Who is the target market? $75 is a lot for causal players. I wil try to foil out my decks but every check I get a few more, but a package with so few cards and junk not interested. I think the commons and uncommon must haves for $25 would have been nice there better be better stuff or these are going to sit on shelfs for awhile.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 6:45PM
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Nov 27, 2011
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Who is the target market?
People who absolutely need to foil out every single card. So we'll throw in the obligatory never-been-foil card ( Sylvan Library  here) and you've got a lot of sales guaranteed already.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 6:54PM
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Well if you remember from the vault legends sold terribly even if there was some who did for that reason they didn't do to well just with collectors buying them
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 8:07PM
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Who is the target market?
Legacy players.
FTV were sought for the mere things that there were Legacy alternate art and/or foils staples in those box. If this cost twice the FTV, expect twice the staples cards in this (I would even say a little bit more).
People complain now but they all will be in awe when they get to know the rest of the cards.
"Just add  !" -Wizards motto
lol, standard...
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 8:17PM
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I didn't realize until I started reading this thread that this doesn't even include a deck. For some reason I thought it did (Probably because of the exorbitant price tag). I would consider shelling out $75 for another Commander precon, a bunch of sleeves, a nifty life counter and a few foily promos. But... this? God no.
I'm actually slightly bummed that I'm gonna miss out on that life counter, though. I really like it. I hope it gets included in a more reasonably priced product in the future so I can pick one up.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 9:18PM
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Jun 29, 2011
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I'm telling you guys, the other cards have got to be pretty stellar. For 75 bucks!? If Sylvan Library is any indication, it'll be good. Of course, there is the matter of the groan-inducing, completely superfluous oversized cards that nobody seems to like (myself included), but I have hope that the regular-sized cards will be good. On the other hand, the last FTV was a misfire and the new one looks mostly underwhelming. Venser vs. Koth was only okay. I just don't know. It looks as if the crew resposible for the Expert level expansions are on a hot streak, but the quality of all of the..."special" releases is suffering. Planechase 2012 would be an exception, however.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 10, 2012 - 11:05PM
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None. The reason over-sized cards are useless is because things like this exist . If they can't print a standard-sized card to accompany the over-sized one (as they did in the Commander precons), that means you have to proxy a standard-sized one in the event that someone uses one of these effects (which are popular in EDH, as they are the best way to handle problem Generals), which is technically against the law. So, what Wizards is telling us is either that we need to buy standard-sized versions of the over-sized cards that are in this product to get any use out of the over-sized ones, or we need to break the law. Just another example of Wizards breaking their own rules. BTW, Wizards' marketing staff anf perhaps some of design/R&D needs to get canned. When a forum site full of avid EDH players denounces a product targeted directly at them, somebody did a horrible job at their job...
If they are going to change the "tuck rule" to where you can just exile your commander whenever he leaves zones instead of being tucked, similar to exile/bounce/death induced zone changes, then the oversized commanders make some semblance of sense. But as long as the ability to tuck a commander remains, then it is silly to have an oversized commander without a standard size counterpart. So I agree with you there. Either the rules have to change to eliminate tucking commanders, or it's just a terrible, terrible oversight.
I like the new life counter, it's neat. The +/- buttons are cute. But I cannot express my disdain for the oversized commanders.
Also, $75 is a large pill to swallow, and the rest of the cards better be good enough to at least pique my interest.
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