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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 4:40PM
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There are a few cards that are clearly not supposed to affect themselves with their own abilities, but you can allow them to with clever manipulation. For example, Lovisa Coldeyes  pumps herself if you can give her the Warrior or Berserker type, and you can target Sorin, Lord of Innistrad  with his own ultimate if you turn him into a creature. Such cards obviously are not intended to be able to affect themselves, so why aren't the abilities phrased to actually prevent them from doing so? It seems very unintuitive that they are explicitly excluded in some ways but not others.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 4:52PM
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The phrasing is consistently templated to prevent them from affecting themselves in their natural state. I suspect the reason for not explicitly excluding them for all instances is twofold:
- Cleaner templating. If Sorin targeted "other creatures and/or planeswalkers", it looks like it can target itself naturally, and if it read "other creatures and/or other planeswalkers", you're adding an extra word to the template for a very minor "advantage" that will only come up in extreme corner cases.
- It's a feature, not a bug. If you're clever enough to exploit your multi-type lords with a Xenograft
 , you deserve that extra bonus.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 7:39PM
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Lovisa Coldeyes equipped with Runed Stalactite  is nasty add Godo, Bandit Warlord  and you got yourself a deck 
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10 months ago ::
Aug 08, 2012 - 4:16AM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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Also, if a card says "other X", that makes it sound like the card itself is an X. Consider cards like Lord of the Unreal  . It's also normally not supposed to affect itself, but it would need "other" to make sure it doesn't. This would make people either think it is an Illusion or wonder why that word is there.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 08, 2012 - 5:49AM
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True, but Lord of the Unreal 's ability obviously doesn't apply to itself in its natural state (I suppose Lovisa Coldeyes didn't either when it was first printed). I guess if the cards were purposely designed with that "hack" in mind, then they should just stay as is.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 08, 2012 - 6:01AM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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I don't think it's so much intentional as not a problem, or at least, a smaller problem than the cure would be.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 08, 2012 - 7:59AM
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with Lord of the Unreal it is intentional so it can combo with Phantasmal Image  at least I think so they use "other" when it would usually apply to the lord himself and print everything the lord has on it, so it is less confusing MaRo can explain it better than me: www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.a...In Alpha, creatures only had one creature type. Richard wanted to convey the feeling of a lord, so he gave all three the Lord creature type. This proved a little strange when you had multiples in play, because at least the Goblin King and Lord of Atlantis are clearly pictured as members of their own races. The cards were later errataed to being their own type, but only affecting "others" of their kind.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 09, 2012 - 2:02PM
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10 months ago ::
Aug 09, 2012 - 2:07PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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correct
still nasty
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