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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 11:59AM #1
bascotie
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Am I understanding this correctly?

It's my opponent's turn and he wants to activate Goblin Tunneler to let another  1/1 goblin token become unblockable. I want to 'interrupt' it with [c]Courtly Provocateur so that the tunneler has to attack this turn, if able. 

Because paying a cost cannot be interrupted, is it correct to say that I will not be able to make tunneler attack, and instead my targetting him with provo does nothing? 
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:02PM #2
rezzahan
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That's correct, yes.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:03PM #3
PirateAmmo
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That is right. You cannot force Goblin Tunneler to attack in this situation. Regardless of when you use Courtly Provocateur 's ability, your opponent will still have the chance to tap Goblin Tunneler before the declare attack step begins. Goblin Tunneler will not be able to attack, because it will be tapped.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:05PM #4
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It's correct that paying cost can't be interrupted, but that's not the reason this interaction works the way it does.

The provacteur's abilities only change what creatures must attack or block during those steps. They don't have any effect on what you can do before those steps to make their attacks or blocks legal or illegal.

Even if the provacteur goes first, and you let the ability resolve, you can tap the tunneler afterwards to use its ability before attackers are declared. 
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:06PM #5
bascotie
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Thank you. So do activated abilities not use the stack at all? Only triggered abilities, spells, enchantments, etc?
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:07PM #6
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Aug 7, 2012 -- 12:06PM, bascotie wrote:

Thank you. So do activated abilities not use the stack at all? Only triggered abilities, spells, enchantments, etc?




Activated abilities do use the stack.

 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:07PM #7
Enigma256
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activated abilities (except mana abilities) use the stack
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:07PM #8
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They do use the stack. In this case the tunneler is unable to attack because he is tapped, so the Provacteaure ability does not do anything to it.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:08PM #9
bascotie
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Also,

say my opponent has two 1/1 goblin tokens. Is there any way I can force the goblin token he has NOT targetted, in time to make them both attack so I can at least block and kill one? Or will it be too late if he waits until the declare attackers step to make one unblockable, will I not be able to use courtly provo then to make the other attack?
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 07, 2012 - 12:08PM #10
PirateAmmo
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Aug 7, 2012 -- 12:06PM, bascotie wrote:

Thank you. So do activated abilities not use the stack at all? Only triggered abilities, spells, enchantments, etc?


Activated abilities do use the stack. It is just that in Courtly Provocateur's case, it does not matter when the ability resolves; it only affects the creature as the declare attackers step begins.

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