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10 months ago ::
Aug 06, 2012 - 10:24PM
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Crown of empires reads: Tap target creature. Gain control of that creature instead if you control artifacts named Scepter of Empires and Throne of Empires.
So i know that you need to tap it and spend 3 mana to activate but my question is what happens the next turn when the crown untaps during untap phase, does that controller need to pay 3 mana again to control target creature or does the creature become permanently the owner of the crown allowing you to spend 3 more mana and grab a different creature while still keeping the first.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 06, 2012 - 10:27PM
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Cards do what they say. The Crown says nothing about losing control of the creature (assuming you controlled the other two when the Crown's activated ability resolves) when the Crown untaps. So you'll retain control of the creature even after the Crown untaps. You don't become the owner of the creature (your opponent is still the owner the creature), but you will remain the controller of the creature.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 7:56AM
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Crown of Empires has a self-replacement effect. It can do two different things depending on whether or not you control the Scepter and Throne as well. If you don't control both Scepter and Throne, the effect is tap target creature. This is a one-shot action that changes its status from untapped to tapped (an already tapped creature could be targeted, but the tap effect would fail to do anything) If you do control both, the effect changes to gain control of target creature. This is a continuous effect that lasts for the duration of the game. It will remain in effect even if you later lose any of the three artifacts. The effect is determined on resolution of the ability. ie. the moment the effect resolves it looks to see if you have both or not and thats the effect it applies. If you activated it while you have all three (with the intent to steal his creature) and a player responds and casts Naturalize  on your only Scepter or Throne such that you don't control both when your ability resolves, the effect will tap instead of steal.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 9:09AM
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So when cast a spell like Control Magic which takes control of target creature and then on a later turn someone disenchants the control magic card does the creature return to its original owner or is that also a continuous effect?
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 9:12AM
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It will return to the original owner. The control change of Control Magic  only lasts as long as control magic is attached to the creature.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 9:12AM
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When Control Magic is destroyed, the "control change" effect ends and the creature goes back to its previous controller.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 9:13AM
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They're both continuous effects, but control magic's is created by the static ability on control magic, while the crown's is created by an activated ability. The effect created by the activated ability doesn't have a set duration, so it lasts indefinitely, but static abilities generally  only work as long as the thing generating them is still on the battlefield.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 9:16AM
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Makes sense. Thanks guys.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 07, 2012 - 12:21PM
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Some continuous effects specify a duration. eg. triggered ability on Sower of Temptation  or activated ability on Merieke Ri Berit  or Act of Aggression  If no duration is specified, it will either last indefinitely (if created by a spell  or ability  on the stack) or for as long as the source of the effect remains in the zone where it  generates that effect note: I used continuous effects that setup control changes for examples, but the principle is the same for other continuous effects as well.
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