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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 2:13PM #1
laforge27
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I have Gloom in play. My opponent has 5 forests and casts a summon spell that costs to cast. In response to his summons, I cast Sleight of Mind and change the word "white" to "green" on my Gloom. Does this effectively counter the summon spell, and if so, does my opponent have to draw mana from his last two forests to attempt to satisfy the casting requirement? Thanks.
Cards involved: Gloom and Sleight of Mind
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 2:14PM #2
Enigma256
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once a spell is cast all costs have already been paid
changing the total cost now won't do anything
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 2:14PM #3
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Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:13PM, laforge27 wrote:

I have Gloom in play. My opponent has 5 forests and casts a summon spell that costs to cast. In response to his summons, I cast Sleight of Mind and change the word "white" to "green" on my Gloom. Does this effectively counter the summon spell, and if so, does my opponent have to draw mana from his last two forests to attempt to satisfy the casting requirement? Thanks.
Cards involved: Gloom and Sleight of Mind




You can't cast Gloom while he is casting his spell.  By the time you can cast Gloom, the other spell is already cast and paid for and Gloom won't effect it.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 2:15PM #4
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By the time you can respond, his spell is already cast and changing the cost of it will have no effect.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 2:57PM #5
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Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:14PM, rudolf wrote:

Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:13PM, laforge27 wrote:

I have Gloom in play. My opponent has 5 forests and casts a summon spell that costs to cast. In response to his summons, I cast Sleight of Mind and change the word "white" to "green" on my Gloom. Does this effectively counter the summon spell, and if so, does my opponent have to draw mana from his last two forests to attempt to satisfy the casting requirement? Thanks.
Cards involved: Gloom and Sleight of Mind




You can't cast Gloom while he is casting his spell.  By the time you can cast Gloom, the other spell is already cast and paid for and Gloom won't effect it.



Maybe that's why the very first sentence of his post is "I have Gloom in play".

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 2:59PM #6
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Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:57PM, jeff-heikkinen wrote:

Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:14PM, rudolf wrote:

Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:13PM, laforge27 wrote:

I have Gloom in play. My opponent has 5 forests and casts a summon spell that costs to cast. In response to his summons, I cast Sleight of Mind and change the word "white" to "green" on my Gloom. Does this effectively counter the summon spell, and if so, does my opponent have to draw mana from his last two forests to attempt to satisfy the casting requirement? Thanks.
Cards involved: Gloom and Sleight of Mind




You can't cast Gloom while he is casting his spell.  By the time you can cast Gloom, the other spell is already cast and paid for and Gloom won't effect it.



Maybe that's why the very first sentence of his post is "I have Gloom in play".




Indeed.  RTFC failure on my part.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 05, 2012 - 3:10PM #7
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Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:13PM, laforge27 wrote:

I have Gloom in play. My opponent has 5 forests and casts a summon spell that costs to cast. In response to his summons, I cast Sleight of Mind and change the word "white" to "green" on my Gloom. Does this effectively counter the summon spell?


no, why would it?
he's already cast the creature spell if you're casting Sleight of Mind in response to it. It just hasn't resolved yet.
However, you could use Sleight of Mind on Douse and then activate the ability on Douse to counter his green spell.
The effect of Gloom would have to apply as he was casting it. ie. it'd have to already say green before he started casting it

Aug 5, 2012 -- 2:13PM, laforge27 wrote:

and if so, does my opponent have to draw mana from his last two forests to attempt to satisfy the casting requirement?


no, because it's not applicable after he finished casting the spell

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 06, 2012 - 7:41AM #8
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Thanks folks
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