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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 10:55AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 21, 2010
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It's an idea everyone has had at some point. It seems like a bad idea. A really bad idea. What if we tried to lose? A format where the object of the game was to lose before your opponent, concession was claiming a win? Seems unfun, right? But after considerable laughter, my friend and I have found many decks that should be viable. A varied meta is always at least worth exploring. Rules
1) All Rules of Magic: the Gathering are in effect, with the twist that all instances of the phrases "win(s) the game" and "lose(s) the game" in the Comprehensive Rules are reversed. Instances on these phrases on cards are not changed. 2) All cards from all sets are legal, with the exception of a banlist. Un-cards are legal. Banlist (in progress) Spoils of the Vault  Lim-Dul's Vault  Necropotence  Plunge into Darkness  Cavern Harpy  Channel  Deepwood Ghoul  Fire Covenant  Mischievious Poltergeist  Soul Channeling  Unspeakable Symbol  Wall of Blood  Demonic Consultation  If Black Lotus and friends still prove too powerful (we expect a combo-heavy meta), we may instead use a Restricted List. Now that that's out of the way, let's ask: What deks are viable here? Obviously, there's Final Fortune  / Warrior's Oath  / Last Chance  . What about Lich  ? Paradigm Shift  seems good. Hermit Druid  without the typical win conditions, and of course Pacts. Lich could be very interesting, and Abyssal Persecutor  might be the best creature in the game. At the very least, a combo/control meta with a ton of interesting ways to lose.
Etiamnunc sto, etiamsi caelum ruat.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 11:36AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 17, 2011
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This seems like it could be cool, but balancing the meta would be so difficult it may just not be worth it.
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Pray to him.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 11:57AM
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Anything with "Pay X Life: effect" would need to be banned. Hibernation Sliver  , Lurking Evil  , Spatial Binding  , Souldrinker  etc There are also all of those pact cards that make you lose the game immediately. Intervention Pact  , Pact of Negation  , Pact of the Titan  , Slaughter Pact  , Summoner's Pact  And then there are all of the other lame cards that cause you to lose the game Amulet of Quoz  etc. There's just too many ways to purposely lose in this game...
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 1:33PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 24, 2010
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Here is a first turn win deck, if you have this in your hand : Dark Ritual  , Entomb  , Swamp  , Exhume  , the rest doesn't matter. Step 1: Play & tap the Swamp to cast Dark Ritual . Step 2: PLay Entomb and get Phage the Untouchable  in your graveyard. Step 3 : Exhume Phage and lose the game. It's even cheaper than most, if not all , first turn win decks!
My decks, mostly casuals, but some I use online with some small changes:
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 1:47PM
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Not really.... Swamp, Dark Ritual, Lurking Evil or Trespassing Souleater  or Immolating Souleater  pay all of your life and die. Costs like $0.50.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 2:36PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 19, 2010
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I'd prefer: any manaproducing land that doesn't enter tapped + Hex Parasite  . nothing more needed. maybe not the cheapest moneywise (see above for that) but easy and only 2 cards.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 3:24PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 21, 2010
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I missed Hex Parasite and Lurking Evil. Reanimate+Phage was one we had already found and didn't think would be too broken, since it requires 3 cards to win turn 1, and 2 cards to win turn 3. Pacts, we feel, are safe, because they take one turn to work. Rite of Flame  , Final Fortune is faster (but weak to Pact of Negation). All of the decks mentioned here cannot win against Abyssal Persecutor without additional cards. Reanimator in particular is easily hated, and very, very complex in the mirror (in response to your Exhume, Entomb, Surgical Extraction  , I lose).
Etiamnunc sto, etiamsi caelum ruat.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 3:53PM
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I'd prefer: any manaproducing land that doesn't enter tapped + Hex Parasite . nothing more needed. maybe not the cheapest moneywise (see above for that) but easy and only 2 cards.
This...doesn't work, you need to pay X mana as well.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 4:30PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 30, 2008
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I'd prefer: any manaproducing land that doesn't enter tapped + Hex Parasite . nothing more needed. maybe not the cheapest moneywise (see above for that) but easy and only 2 cards.
This...doesn't work, you need to pay X mana as well.
Sure it does. X can be any amount of mana, unless it says otherwise. So just pay 2 life 10 times and you win.
Burn decks could be interesting in this format.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 05, 2012 - 5:10PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 21, 2010
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I'd prefer: any manaproducing land that doesn't enter tapped + Hex Parasite . nothing more needed. maybe not the cheapest moneywise (see above for that) but easy and only 2 cards.
This...doesn't work, you need to pay X mana as well.
Sure it does. X can be any amount of mana, unless it says otherwise. So just pay 2 life 10 times and you win.
Burn decks could be interesting in this format.
Gogo Char  !!
Etiamnunc sto, etiamsi caelum ruat.
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