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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 1:00PM #81
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It was aweful in standard when it was in it almost broke older formats but it is a mater of perspective
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 1:12PM #82
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I wasn't around for Ravnica Standard, but in the early testing of Modern it was simply broken
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 3:03PM #83
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People really underestimate this card. He's the ultimate threat against any control deck. He can come back regardless of how he was killed, even if he was countered. If you don't have any spells in your hand, then you can just sac a couple lands to get him back. If they use a board wipe, then he just comes back stronger than before. He's an enemy that just keeps coming. And we still don't know the self-mill cards Golgari will have yet. Sure, maybe the cost is a bit high to get it back, but remember that green is the color most likely to have a high number of lands to sacrifice. 

If you can cast  Liliana of the Veil on turn 3 (or turn 2 if you mana ramp) and use her discard ability, then at the very least he enter the battlefield as a 3/3, probably more though since some creatures have probably already died by now. Her -2 makes for great disruption, giving you plenty of time to get creatures in your graveyard. What would make this deck so effective is that while Jarad is amazing against control decks due to his ability to come back even when countered, Liliana's discard and sacrifice abilities can seriously hurt aggro decks.

Also, in a Black/Green deck with a graveyard theme, it would be foolish not to have some  Ghoultree s. Then imagine sacrificing it with Jarad's fling and instantly zapping half of your opponent's life. The fact that Jarad then gets +1/+1 is just a bonus.
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 3:19PM #84
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It really should have been 0/1 and cost
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 3:26PM #85
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Aug 8, 2012 -- 3:19PM, Zokorad wrote:

It really should have been 0/1 and cost




No, because a badass lich and leader of the Golgari can't be a poor 0/1.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 3:36PM #86
Enigma256
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Aug 8, 2012 -- 3:19PM, Zokorad wrote:

It really should have been 0/1 and cost


no
however I would have liked the ability to be at to match the land sacrifice, that would have made it perfectly symmetric

but, still a good card and really nasty after a graveyard block with more graveyard support in RTR itself

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 4:35PM #87
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Can I point something out?  Just for reference......




Look at the bottom:
Copyright is 1993-2012 and there's LLC after Wizards of the Coast.

Maybe, just maybe, this is evidence that the Rootborn Defenses card is still a fake?

I'm just sayin'

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 5:04PM #88
Enigma256
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that's really confusing now
we have an official card with the new copyright and one with the old one
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 5:06PM #89
infinight
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Aug 8, 2012 -- 4:35PM, Georg51 wrote:




Look at the bottom:
Copyright is 1993-2012 and there's LLC after Wizards of the Coast.

Maybe, just maybe, this is evidence that the Rootborn Defenses card is still a fake?

I'm just sayin'




Isn't this from the duel decks though? And doesn't the duel deck come out first? Any change in the format would wait until the actual expansion is released.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 08, 2012 - 5:16PM #90
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there is already a card out with the new copyright (promo in a magazine)

but I guess it depends on when each set/card was "locked in" and sent to the print shop
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