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12 months ago  ::  Jul 27, 2012 - 9:24PM #11
Shard_Fenix
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Transforming isn't a status.

Or I should say Day/Night isn't a status. 
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 27, 2012 - 10:00PM #12
Argus_Panoptes
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Jul 27, 2012 -- 9:24PM, Shard_Fenix wrote:

Transforming isn't a status.

Or I should say Day/Night isn't a status. 



Did anyone say otherwise?

110.6. A permanent's status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.



My rules quote pointed out that status (including tapped/untapped) only changes due to a spell, ability, or turn-based action.  "Transforming" doesn't qualify any more than "doing the hokey-pokey".

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12 months ago  ::  Jul 28, 2012 - 7:32AM #13
LoveMonkey
Date Joined: Nov 6, 2011
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Argus_Panoptes has found your answer, unless your friend wants to take the word of two shop owners over the comprehensive rules:

711.7. When a double-faced permanent transforms, it doesn't become a new object. Any effects that applied to that permanent will continue to apply to it after it transforms.
Example: An effect gives Village Ironsmith (the front face of a double-faced card) +2/+2 until end of turn and then Village Ironsmith transforms into Ironfang. Ironfang will continue to get +2/+2 until end of turn.

110.6c A permanent retains its status until a spell, ability, or turn-based action changes it, even if that status is not relevant to it.

110.6. A permanent's status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.

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12 months ago  ::  Jul 28, 2012 - 9:43AM #14
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Transform doesn't change the status of the card, if it was phased out, it stays phased out; same is true for phased in or tapped/untapped, etc...

If your friends don't agree maybe they'll be able to give you the adequate rules in the comprehensive rules backing up their claim. :D
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