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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 1:39AM #1
MuuMyuki
Date Joined: Mar 4, 2010
Posts: 365
I'm really just spitballing this deck right now. The whole point is to use Heartless Summoning to get big guys out, then dump them, then toss them out again. I know the curve is pretty off, amongst other things, so any help is welcome. My budget is nothing over $5.


4 x Rune-Scarred Demon
4 x Demon of Death's Gate
2 x Dread Cacodemon
4 x Pelakka Wurm
1 x Soul of the Harvest
1 x Harvester of Souls
1 x Massacre Wurm
4 x Bloodthrone Vampire
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4 x Rampant Growth
4 x Heartless Summoning
2 x Gaea's Anthem
4 x Victim of Night
4 x Abundant Growth
4 x Phyrexian Reclamation
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11 x Forest
11 x Swamp
 


 
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 3:29AM #2
DocGrog
Date Joined: Aug 19, 2010
Posts: 656
Hi,

First of all remove Bloodthrone Vampire , it's dead once you have a Heartless Summoning out. (Possible Replacements Phyrexian Ghoul , Nantuko Husk ).
Secondly you have quite some and costing cards, i don't think your Abundant Growth and Rampant Growth will be enough. Try to get some Woodland Cemetery and replace Rampant Growth with either Cultivate (for more lands) or Borderland Ranger (cost reduction of heartless summoning, body to block/sacrifice).
On a side note: I'd remove the Gaea's Anthem s, your fatties are still good witch -1/-1.
Cards to look out for: Solemn Simulacrum , Myr Superion (no ETB/LTB/Dies-Trigger, but big body), Perilous Myr (free Shock ). I'd also replace Victim of Night with Beast Within (especially nice as a suprise finisher targeting your heartless summoning -> your creatures no longer have -1/-1, won quite some games with that move)
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 7:16AM #3
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 4,302
You can't just play Heartless Summoning on its own, because if you don't draw it then you have no early plays. I would remove Bloodthrone Vampire and Gaea's Anthem for some ramping creatures.

I would remove Phyrexian Reclamation in favor of card draw like Harmonize . Your big guys should do enough just by playing them, and Reclamation won't help you early in the game (it seems like more of a "win more" card). Reclamation would be better in a deck with smaller creatures, even with Heartless Summoning your creatures are going to be expensive because you have to pay an additional .

Lastly, I'm not exactly sure how you plan to get all your colored mana. Like DocGrog said, you have a lot of triple colored cards. You should favor creatures like Wurmcoil Engine that you can play no matter what. In fact, you might just want to go mono black. I'm not sure what the most effective way to ramp in black is thought (besides one-shot things like Cabal Ritual ). However, if you were black you could focus more on tutoring your Heartless Summoning .
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 8:28AM #4
skeindubh
Date Joined: Dec 12, 2007
Posts: 2,450
Nothing should be in the 2cmc slot besides heartless.

You want some way to sacrifice the heartless after you have used it. endless wurm is cute in green. infernal tribute is another option. oath of lim-dul is just fun but does have a downside versus red.

Any accelleration you use should be in the 1 cmc slot. Abundant is not accelleration it is mana fixing. @ color decks do that with dual lands. Use wild growth instead but most heartless decks ahve no need of it at all.

myr superion is a free beater with heartless out.

Bloodthrone vampire is just all wrong. If you want another good enchantment to sacrifice try sarcomancy

Use rancor as an endless sacrifice instead of the gaeas.

4 x sarcomancy
4 x Rune-Scarred Demon
4 x endless wurm
2 x Dread Cacodemon
4 x Pelakka Wurm
1 x Soul of the Harvest
1 x Harvester of Souls
1 x Massacre Wurm

4 x Heartless Summoning
4 x go for the throat
4 x wild growth
4 x Phyrexian Reclamation
3 x rancor
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 8:42AM #5
Maraxas-of-Keld
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I don't think you need to sac the summoning if you plan on keep dropping guys, if your men are already hugs -1/-1 is not a big deal.

Reiver Demon is cheaper then coco demon, but if also kills your guys if they are green. I like Terastodon as a fatty a lot, and it can kill your summoning if you really want that. Bloodgift Demon seems nice too because it comes out the turn after and starts drawing you into more cards.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 4:01PM #6
MuuMyuki
Date Joined: Mar 4, 2010
Posts: 365
Okay, so I took everyone's advice and here's what I have: 

4 x Rune-Scarred Demon
2 x Demon of Death's Gate
2 x Dread Cacodemon
4 x Pelakka Wurm
1 x Soul of the Harvest
1 x Harvester of Souls
1 x Massacre Wurm
3 x Myr Superion
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4 x Heartless Summoning
4 x Victim of Night
4 x Wild Growth
4 x Phyrexian Reclamation
4 x Caravan Vigil
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4 x Claws of Gix
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11 x Forest
11 x Swamp


Claws of Gix is great because it allows me to sacrifice my creatures with a smaller cost and it gives me something to play early. I figure I can do without card drawing and sacrificing since so many of my creatures already have some sort of draw ability. Caravan Vigil can let me get my mana together a lot faster.

I really want to keep Demon of Death's Gate because it has the potential to be a 5/5 flying trample for 3 black. Myr Superion is a great early game and still gives me some nice blocking late game.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 6:00PM #7
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 4,302
Your deck is just going to roll over most of the time. You aren't always going to draw Heartless Summoning , and when you do you still aren't playing anything till turn four or five unless you drew a Myr Superion , and that's assuming you have the right colors.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 26, 2012 - 10:31PM #8
MuuMyuki
Date Joined: Mar 4, 2010
Posts: 365
You're probably right. It's just that the only tutors I can afford are Diabolic Tutor s and those cost four mana, so my chances of getting anything out before turn four are low anyway. Card draw is fine, but a Harmonize is still 3 green-which I might be able to play early if I can get a Wild Growth on the board. I suppose it wouldn't be terrible to swap out the Myr Superion with some Carven Caryatid s though.
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