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Jul 27, 2012 -- 11:34AM, Barinellos wrote:

Jund: There isn't any nuking Jund that they haven't already done to themselves. EVERYTHING is trying to eat you on Jund. Aside from that, Esper really didn't get that powerful, which will be covered below (as well as above) Jund is actually staging regular bombardments on Esper.
Naya: Allied with Bant, but there's a distinction between the two. A very very large distinction. Bant has adopted a lot of what they could from Naya, but Naya itself hasn't taken much from anywhere else. They've either left themselves alone or left to join another shard. Very few converts have joined Naya, so really there is a fair exodus of people from the Behemoth rife land.
Bant: Not that far off. Bant has ha to consolidate themselves, but that has taken its toll on its populace. The major thing here is that they are getting a LOT of converts and they are taking over whatever they can. As a military might, they are starting to be a major power since they can match Grixis's siege engines with the captured behemoths and wurms from other shards. Aside from that, they've focused solely on Grixis as the enemy, leaving Esper and Jund alone.
Esper: Malfegor stomped across the entire mageocracy. They were left leaderless and their most useful feature has been focused on converting other beings to their cause or turned into weapons. Etherium is finite.
Aside from that, they aren't making any progress with sangrite at all. They have no clue what they're doing with it. Sangrite Backlash illustrates that clearly. Aside from that, they are regularly attacked by Jund and there really isn't anything they CAN do to Jund. Jund has been a cycle of survival of the fittest so long that it has produced dragons of unmatched power.
The only bolstering they're getting is from people escaping Bant's new crusades.
Grixis: Grixis isn't interested in staying in grixis. Whatever is happening to the dregscape isn't something they care about. If it is being taken over by fungal life, that's GOOD for them because that's more vis they can harvest to bolster their power. Aside from that, some of the groups have organized, but others don't have the interest in sharing. They're getting a lot of power from the backend by harvesting the graves of the other planes and earning the allegiance of the disenfranchised as seen on Servant of Nefarox .

This was all asumed to be about 5 years after Conflux. 
Jund: They're capable of "staging?" Or do you mean draggons occasionsally get bored and do flyovers? Seems Naya, Esper and Grixis would come up with a countermeasure ( plummet , doom blade , f**k yo couch ) pretty quickly. And how many dragons can there be? I mean, a lot, yeah, but long term they're doomed.
Naya: Yep. Naya. Of very little direct strategic signifigance to anyone.
Bant: There is nothing much to say about Bant.
Esper: I don't recall the leader-murder. So. Wrong then. They do not seem a people great at functioning without centralized leadership. Still, once they get it together I'd still put them as first or second highest power. Mixing "do what works" with "good with machines" is a powerful combonation.
Grixis: True. If they were efficient enough at harvesting vis they'd have stormed through a long time ago. Still, power boost. That said, between their infighting and lack of cohesion even as small groups I'd still bet against anything directly from Grixis being a huge force when things have settled down. Probably some demon will have a little chunk of land that people avoid and otherwise it'll be carved up between the rest.

Aug 2, 2012 -- 11:44AM, Deaderpool wrote:

This was all asumed to be about 5 years after Conflux. 
Jund: They're capable of "staging?" Or do you mean draggons occasionsally get bored and do flyovers? Seems Naya, Esper and Grixis would come up with a countermeasure ( plummet , doom blade , f**k yo couch ) pretty quickly. And how many dragons can there be? I mean, a lot, yeah, but long term they're doomed.
Naya: Yep. Naya. Of very little direct strategic signifigance to anyone.
Bant: There is nothing much to say about Bant.
Esper: I don't recall the leader-murder. So. Wrong then. They do not seem a people great at functioning without centralized leadership. Still, once they get it together I'd still put them as first or second highest power. Mixing "do what works" with "good with machines" is a powerful combonation.
Grixis: True. If they were efficient enough at harvesting vis they'd have stormed through a long time ago. Still, power boost. That said, between their infighting and lack of cohesion even as small groups I'd still bet against anything directly from Grixis being a huge force when things have settled down. Probably some demon will have a little chunk of land that people avoid and otherwise it'll be carved up between the rest.

You're assuming waaaaay too much time.
It's been maybe 9 months to a year since the Conflux at TOPS.
The dragons appear to have an organized attack against Esper. A single storm or two of them will make attacks against locations like Palandius.
Also, some dragons have regenerate. Aside from that, Esper particularly lost a HUGE chunk of their forces to Malfegor and it takes YEARS to train up new replacements. You can just hand a sword to a farmer and while they might not be good, they can at least hold a place. Mages don't have that luxury because it takes serious time and training to even get small spells down, much less stuff like doom blade . So it's a much slower process of getting thing together. Add to that an oppressed underclass and you're looking at a place ripe for revolution anyways.