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11 months ago  ::  Aug 02, 2012 - 5:11AM #31
Edriss
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Intentionally missing triggers you control is "Cheating - Fraud". 

A player who intentionally forgets triggers he or she controls is guilty of Fraud, even if the trigger is a lapsing ability.


The penalty is Disqualification.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 02, 2012 - 6:01AM #32
GoblinBasar
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After the thread has been warmed up again, and I stumbled over it, I feel I should break out my judge badge and say a few words...

Jul 23, 2012 -- 4:34PM, Bowshewicz wrote:

I'm not saying that it's illegal to try and mislead, just that it's sketchy to suddenly "remember" a trigger after your opponent can't respond to it. We're only getting the OP's side, so things seem clear. But if you were a judge and you had to listen to both sides of the story, it would be hard to tell who was right. Both players will see things their own way and try and spin it in their favor. In a perfect situation, the judge would be able to correctly figure out what happened, what was really said, and see through any exaggeration (let's ignore outright lies for now). 


Thankfully, we don't need to be perfect mind readers in this situation. Exalted triggered three times when the OP attacked with his Geist, and it resolved three times, making the Geist 5/5. Period. The opponent is out of luck and has no case whatsoever.
It is perfectly legal to not announce triggers that don't require choices and have no effect on the visual representation of the game state. It is perfectly legal to keep quiet about your Exalted triggers in the hope that your opponent will forget about them.
Whether or not it's sporting is a completely different issue.

If the opponent is aware enough of the game state to remember that there is at least one creature with Exalted on the battlefield, he could simply ask "so your Geist gets +2/+2 from Exalted?" (if he thought there were two instances of Exalted around), and the OP would have to either correct him (because there are three instances of Exalted around) or give an answer that tries to mislead his opponent (which would probably sound very strange in the circumstances and suggest to an alert opponent that his count was wrong).

Aug 2, 2012 -- 5:11AM, Edriss wrote:

Intentionally missing triggers you control is "Cheating - Fraud". 

A player who intentionally forgets triggers he or she controls is guilty of Fraud, even if the trigger is a lapsing ability.


The penalty is Disqualification.


While true in a general way, this doesn't apply here. Triggers like Exalted don't need to be pointed out, so not pointing them out will not get you penalized.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 02, 2012 - 6:58AM #33
Grenandine
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Does not mentioning them fall into a case of "accepted shortcuts"? I mean if I am the defender in this case, and I happen to have a lightning bolt handy, theoretically I could zap the Geist before the exalteds resolve. By not mentioning them, can I say "I do not accept your shortcut. I want to lightning bolt when they are on the stack"?
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 02, 2012 - 7:02AM #34
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No, you're assumed to be reacting at your earliest opportunity if you don't specify otherwise. You can't bolt geist because it has hexproof, but assuming they were attacking with a vanilla 2/2 instead, just announcing lightning bolt is enough to kill it before the exalted triggers.

More communication is never bad though. I would say "before exalted triggers resolve, i'll bolt your 2/2." 
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 02, 2012 - 8:24AM #35
ikegami
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Aug 2, 2012 -- 5:11AM, Edriss wrote:

Intentionally missing triggers you control is "Cheating - Fraud". 

A player who intentionally forgets triggers he or she controls is guilty of Fraud, even if the trigger is a lapsing ability.


The penalty is Disqualification.


Yes, but it's impossible to miss an Exalted trigger, intentionally or otherwise. This does not apply here.


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