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11 months ago ::
Jul 22, 2012 - 6:56PM
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So, I can't remember if I posted in this thread yet, and sorry if I already said this, but what about some sort of Talrand-Gro deck? Quirion Dryad is pretty sick with 12 unsummons
And then, your opponent Doom Blade  s it...
I hate to say it, but this is quite true. "Dies to removal" is always thrown about and usually irrelivant, but when the thing that dies is effectively your entire deck, your plan kinda fails. It doesn't matter how many times you bounce their crap. If they can kill Quirion, they win. That's why modern Quirion and Talrand are better off as part of a deck rather than the deck.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 23, 2012 - 8:11AM
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Talrand offers us a unique Delver option at the moment. A Talrand in place of St. Traft gives you a constant threat generation, and some defense options that St. Traft doesn't offer, but at the cost of being more vulnerable. In a U/R build, though, this may not matter, and Talrand likes Runechanter's Pike as well as anything else.
I'm not looking deep enough at the moment to know if it'll be good enough in the future, but there are places you can stick it now if you want. It seems good enough for standard, but this is an ackward time in standard, anyway.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 23, 2012 - 4:48PM
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I have honestly had more trouble dealing with Geist of Saint Traft (esp holding a weapon) than Talrand with every single deck I've played against Delver variants. I am yet to lose to a Talrand build. He's too slow and cute when you could just be killing the opponent.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 12:28PM
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I actually playtested a few talrand builds in the last few days and I settled on the blue/black version and went 3-1 in our Monday tourney losing to naya humans... and even then it was a game 3 topdeck to win the game before I could win on my next turn and 2 turns sitting with a delver in play that didn't flip and if it did it coulda won the game as well... once I get to an actual computer ill post the list I played
Sadly it only ran 2 talrands... but they were whenever I untapped with one it was game winning
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 12:40PM
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I actually playtested a few talrand builds in the last few days and I settled on the blue/black version and went 3-1 in our Monday tourney losing to naya humans... and even then it was a game 3 topdeck to win the game before I could win on my next turn and 2 turns sitting with a delver in play that didn't flip and if it did it coulda won the game as well... once I get to an actual computer ill post the list I played Sadly it only ran 2 talrands... but they were whenever I untapped with one it was game winning
And every time I drop Batterskull or Venser in my U/W Blink deck, I gg. Worth noting is that both Batterskull and Venser are both just one-ofs in the deck.
Talrand is a good card. But, like Batterskull and Venser, not worth devoting to.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 7:04PM
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You say that as if you have to really stretch to build around Talrand. A deck he's good in would look very similar to many versions of current blue decks. You have to make some changes to take full advantage of him, sure, but it's not as if you're making a whole new deck for him. Here's a quick first draft for a list I'm thinking of trying out. 4 x Delver of Secrets  4 x Snapcaster Mage  4 x Augur of Bolas  2 x Talrand, Sky Summoner  2 x Grim Lavamancer  4 x Ponder  4 x Gitaxian Probe  4 x Thought Scour  4 x Incinerate  4 x Searing Spear  4 x Mana Leak  2 x Vapor Snag  4 x Sulfur Falls  10 x Island  4 x Mountain 
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11 months ago ::
Jul 25, 2012 - 5:13AM
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overrated card
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11 months ago ::
Jul 25, 2012 - 9:00AM
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He's a 3/5 in terms of Standard playability. He can work, but there's better.
And yes, I know that a Gro deck isn't going to be too good right now, but it's an idea I like. Even if I'll never play it.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 26, 2012 - 9:25PM
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I hate to say it, but this is quite true. "Dies to removal" is always thrown about and usually irrelivant, but when the thing that dies is effectively your entire deck, your plan kinda fails. It doesn't matter how many times you bounce their crap. If they can kill Quirion, they win. That's why modern Quirion and Talrand are better off as part of a deck rather than the deck.
But the rest of the deck is a pretty solid plan. Maybe not the 12-unsummon version, that seems a bit much, but Augur of Bolas , Snapcaster Mage , and Delver of Secrets fit into just the same instants-and-sorcery-heavy deck. This is all a variation on the lands + cheap instants and sorceries + cards that are bonkers with lots of cheap instants and sorceries plan that has been dominating Standard for a while.
The main thing I'd worry about is whether Quirion Dryad  is too slow a card, especially vs. Vapor Snag , to have much of an effect in this tempo-heavy format.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 26, 2012 - 9:36PM
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But the rest of the deck is a pretty solid plan. Maybe not the 12-unsummon version, that seems a bit much, but Augur of Bolas , Snapcaster Mage , and Delver of Secrets fit into just the same instants-and-sorcery-heavy deck. This is all a variation on the lands + cheap instants and sorceries + cards that are bonkers with lots of cheap instants and sorceries plan that has been dominating Standard for a while.
And doing the above plan would be sticking Talrand in a Delver deck. Which is what I advised. Which makes me confused as to why I am having to type this.
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