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Aug 12, 2012 -- 12:47PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 9:42AM, Black_Egg wrote:

Did they actually say that the new mechanic would play well with the old mechanic, or just that it would work well with the old guild themes & cards? It's a difference of just how tightly the two mechanics need to be related to each other.

That one.

Thanks, Thoctar. That's what I remembered but the discussion here seems to be veering in the other direction.

Aug 13, 2012 -- 5:45PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Maro's exact words were that a player should be able to take a whole bunch of cards with the same watermark, shuffle them together, and your deck would function regardless of which sets the cards were from.

That's useful, thanks Thoctar.

This really narrows the range of possible mechanics. I think the most challenging is Dimir. Still trying to make Gruul work though...

Carnage (whenever this creature attacks, if all creatures you control attacked this turn, then all creatures defending player controls must block this turn and creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain trample until end of turn)

Relentless (whenever this creature becomes blocked, you may untap it at end of combat. If you do, there is an additional combat step after this one. During that step only creatures with Relentless may attack)

Agility (you may have this creature deal combat damage as though it was not blocked)

Aug 14, 2012 -- 4:18AM, MrIndigo wrote:

Relentless seems way too complicated and powerful for common, Carnage too complicated for Common, and Agility is already a mechanic.

It's already a mechanic but it was never keyworded... it also fits perfectly in both red and green.

Was it confirmed that all the MECHANICS are new or just new KEYWORDS?

Because I can imagine the Laccolith ability working nicely for Gruul, though it doesn't play into Bloodthirst as much as the Rhox ability...

@Thoctar

I pretty much agree with your analysis here. To be honest, I prefer my original offerings but I'm trying to think around bloodthirst synergy. Maybe something like this:

Inflame X (when you cast this spell, it deals X damage to each opponent)

It's a bit boring, but I suppose it works.


I'm thinking back on the Dimir ability and something along these lines:

Foreshadow (when you are searching your library you may exile this card. If you do, when you have resolved searching your library, if no other card is face up in your library, you may place this card at the top card of your library, face up)

These cards would have abilities like this "as long as this card is foreshadowed [revealed and the top card in your library] then ~"

eg.
Doubt Spreader -
Creature - Human Wizard (R)
Foreshadow
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
As long as Doubt Spreader is foreshadowed, spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
1/4

How about this for a Golgari mechanic:

Recycle - If this creature is in your graveyard you may pay its recycle cost. If you do exile it and put a token that's a copy of this creature on to the battlefield. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.

Not sure if the only as sorcery bit makes it too weak, I was trying not to make it overpowered.

Inspiration came from flashback and Gravecrawler creating a flashback like ability for creatures.

In theory this could work with dredge as dredge would potentially put these cards from the library directly into the graveyard. They can then be cast for the recycle cost.

This could work well with cards in standard like Splinterfright , Mulch , etc. 

Downside is it doesn't fit too well with Jarad's power up from the graveyard ability. It would, however, work with his sac: life loss ability. 

I believe this could work with all rarities as it would depend how good the creature is and how much the Recycle cost is. 

Examples:

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Admittedly my card designing skills aren't brilliant but they're just examples of how Recycle could work at different rarities.

It also opens up the possibility to do something like Golgari Brownscale did with Dredge. If CARD entered the battlefield due to Recycle then (action). This isn't brilliantly worded, but wasn't sure exactly how it would be worded on a card as the creature itself isn't being cast from the graveyard (which would've made the wording easier).

I realise this also limits the ability to just creatures, whereas dredge was on other types as well (e.g. Life from the Loam ).

EDIT: I realised, despite being an ability on creatures they could print a spell that gives target creature in your graveyard Recycle. They could also do a creature/artifact/enchantment like Sedris for Recycle. I realise Recycle is very similar to Unearth, but I'm hoping it's different enough.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how to insert hybrid mana symbols? I was trying to do it for the common card but couldn't work out how to do it. Thanks in advance.