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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 12:57AM
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Was curious if anyone could enlighten me on how Bonfire of the Damned  works. First off, how does its CMC differ from the miracle cost? Secondly, does it target creatures that the opponent controls? ie; not affecting hexproof creatures? Thanks in advance.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 12:59AM
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Jan 24, 2011
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First off, how does its CMC differ from the miracle cost?
There are 2 Xs in the regular cost. The miracle only has one X.
Interesting note: The converted mana cost is always based on the cost of the spell, not what you paid for it. If you miracle it for X=3, the converted mana cost would still be 7, even though you only paid 4 mana for it.
Secondly, does it target creatures that the opponent controls? ie; not affecting hexproof creatures?
No. It only has one target: A player.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 1:15AM
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Nov 16, 2006
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Let me see if I can clarify. If I cast it regularly and in one of the X spots I pay 3 and in the other I pay 2, it would deal 5dmg? Then if I casted it for the miracle cost and payed x=5 it would deal 5 dmg also, right?
Also, if I cast it normally can I pay x=5 and x=0 to get 5dmg?
I guess my point is that I dont understand why it would have a second X cost in the normal cast
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 1:17AM
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Let me see if I can clarify. If I cast it regularly and in one of the X spots I pay 3 and in the other I pay 2, it would deal 5dmg? Then if I casted it for the miracle cost and payed x=5 it would deal 5 dmg also, right?
Also, if I cast it normally can I pay x=5 and x=0 to get 5dmg?
I guess my point is that I dont understand why it would have a second X cost in the normal cast
X cannot have two values in a single casting of the spell. This is the same as basic algebra. When you cast Bonfire of the Damned (whether normally, or through its Miracle ability), you choose a value for X, and must pay that much mana for each instance of X in its cost.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 1:35AM
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First you announce what X will be, then you pay the cost. If you announce that X=3 (3 damage to target player and each creature he controls) then you need to pay 7 mana for it's normal cost (X+X+1) or 4 mana for it's miracle cost (X+1) if you cast it the moment you draw and if it's the first card you drawn this turn
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 5:01AM
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Interesting note: The converted mana cost is always based on the cost of the spell, not what you paid for it. If you miracle it for X=3, the converted mana cost would still be 7, even though you only paid 4 mana for it.
Can I ask for the ruling on this? I lived under the impression that CMC is always the amount of mana you paid for spell on the stack...
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 5:12AM
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Interesting note: The converted mana cost is always based on the cost of the spell, not what you paid for it. If you miracle it for X=3, the converted mana cost would still be 7, even though you only paid 4 mana for it.
Can I ask for the ruling on this? I lived under the impression that CMC is always the amount of mana you paid for spell on the stack...
202.3. The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color. 202.1. A card's mana cost is indicated by mana symbols near the top of the card. (See rule 107.4.) On most cards, these symbols are printed in the upper right corner. Some cards from the Future Sight set have alternate frames in which the mana symbols appear to the left of the illustration.
What you end up paying is called total cost, while mana cost is the mana symbols on the top corner of the actual card. The Converted Mana Cost is the mana cost converted into a number. Otherwise it would be called Converted Total Cost...
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 5:12AM
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Mar 12, 2011
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202.3. The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color.
Example: A mana cost of {3}{U}{U} translates to a converted mana cost of 5.
202.3a The converted mana cost of an object with no mana cost is 0.
202.3b When calculating the converted mana cost of an object with an {X} in its mana cost, X is treated as 0 while the object is not on the stack, and X is treated as the number chosen for it while the object is on the stack.
What you actually end up paying for the spell is entirely irrelevant for the CMC.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 5:52AM
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Oct 29, 2007
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if you cast it the moment you draw and if it's the first card you drawn this turn
nitpick: you don't cast miracles the moment you draw them
if you intend on casting it for the miracle cost, then you immediately reveal it (assuming miracle applies ie. first draw of the turn)
and once priority would return to a player, the miracle trigger goes on the stack
and finally, when the trigger resolves, as it is resolving, you may cast it from your hand (assuming it's still there) for its miracle cost
eg. let's say you cast Desperate Ravings  on an opponent's turn and the first card you draw is Bonfire of the Damned and you want to miracle it,
you reveal it immediately (but it's technically in your hand)
then you draw the second card
then you discard a card randomly (this could make you discard the Bonfire)
the Ravings finishes resolving and is put in the graveyard (or exiled if it was cast for flashback cost)
now the miracle trigger goes to the stack
when it resolves you may cast the Bonfire, if it's still in your hand.
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