Community

Me and I Abuse Welfare got our match in.  I won 2-1, with me running Pack Instinct and Welfare using Crosswinds.  Got lucky in the third game and drew a very fast hand (the Kudzu, Companion and Dungrove Elder).

Results and table are updated in the OP, next round below. The round will end Monday at 23:59 GMT

TBx Greenguy	Vs	Dr Frobious
I Abuse Welfare	Vs	DIVINExGEN0CIDE
Averagegamer90	Vs	Facerocker86
CraigJ1410	Vs	ALM1GHTY
KARnage303	Vs	TIMTANKTONK
GingerWitSwag	Vs	Neo Distortion
Midguy	Vs	KrymsonHalo
x Spanglish x	Vs	x 7he7ooper
Bye	Vs	PrinzKillaB
BerneyBell	Vs	RichMerry

Dr. Frobius (Pack Instinct) defeats I Abuse Welfare (Crosswinds) 2-1

Game 1: I have to trump a Howl of the Night Pack with a flurry of Time Warp s (sans Panoptic Mirror ). Could have had the win a turn earlier, but you have to play around Fog you know.

Game 2: Ulvenwald Tracker ruins my day by dissapating all my Fog Bank s. Maybe I stabilize if I hold up Mana Leak instead of tapping out for Future Sight . Maybe I stabilize if he has Avenger of Zendikar in his deck/library when I Bribery . Two maybes still don't equal a win.

Game 3: I'm on the draw for the 3rd straight game and you can tell from my voice that I'm getting pretty salty.
T1: Forest
T2: Forest , Vinelasher Kudzu
T3: Forest , Nature's Lore , Garruk's Companion
T4: Forest , Nature's Lore , Dungrove Elder
T5: Forest , Prey Upon , and I'm dead.

I had boarded into an air-beats version for the hell of it since I knew he was going small, so I thought I could race with timely bounce spells and fliers instead of playing the slow game. It didn't matter. Unless I was playing a version with a full set of Force of Will s or something, there's no way I'm winning that game.

Good games Frobius. Now I'm worried if I'm going to miss out on top 8 on tiebreakers since 2 of the guys I played got DQed. Sigh.

Congratulations to Dr Frobius and TBx Greenguy who are guaranteed to be in the top 8. Good luck in the last round everyone

For the top 8 the format will be

1st vs 8th
         
                  QF1 vs QF2

3rd vs 6th

                                   SF1 vs SF2 -------- WINNER

4th vs 5th

                  QF3 vs QF4

2nd vs 7th


Best of 5

After 4 rounds of play:

Obedient Dead: 7 - 10  (2 mirror matches)
Goblin Gangland: 6 - 1
Exalted Darkness: 1 - 1
Born of Flame: 9 - 7  (1 mirror match)
Ancient Wilds: 1 - 8
Dream Puppets: 1 - 2
Pack Instinct: 3 - 5
Celestial Light: 0 - 2
Crosswinds: 6 - 4
Peacekeepers: 5 - 0

CLOSE MATCH COMING DOWN TO THE LAST TURN !!! CAN I RECLAIM MY SPIRITS AFTER MY ROUND 3 LOSS ??

ALM1GHTY -- BORN OF FLAME     VS      iSpanglish----DREAM PUPPETS
ROUND 4-GAME 1         www.youtube.com/watch?v=03B6G2L6Z88&feat...


ONLY 2 MANA FOR MY OPPONENT IN PLAY AND IM STILL HAVING ISSUES ..LOL !! SAY HELLO TO THE DREAM PUPPET DECK . MILL IS NO JOKE AND I LOVE HOW MANY GIMICKS MAGIC 2013 HAS. GG TO ALL THE PLAYERS I HAVE FACED SO FAR.

ALM1GHTY -- BORN OF FLAME     VS      iSpanglish----DREAM PUPPETS
ROUND 4-GAME 2         www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yddWfzfMp8&feat...

round 5 coming soon.....

CraigJ1410

Vs

ALM1GHTY

Lost to facerocker 1 - 2 my celestial light to his soldier deck.

Made a move that lost me the match in 3rd game.

Good games though!

Facerocker86(Peacekeepers) 2 - Averagegamer90(Celestial Light) 1
GG man

Well done facerocker you are in the top 8, average gamer is in the hands of the tiebreaker gods.

Alm1ghty I will be on in about 6 hours from now

Aug 18, 2012 -- 8:34AM, monk1410 wrote:

Well done facerocker you are in the top 8, average gamer is in the hands of the tiebreaker gods. Alm1ghty I will be on in about 6 hours from now

Im working some overtime and won't be home till about 7:20pm est time !! If your still on I'll send you a message as soon as I hop on Xbox live.

Aug 18, 2012 -- 3:50PM, ALM1GHTY wrote:

Aug 18, 2012 -- 8:34AM, monk1410 wrote:

Well done facerocker you are in the top 8, average gamer is in the hands of the tiebreaker gods. Alm1ghty I will be on in about 6 hours from now

Im working some overtime and won't be home till about 7:20pm est time !! If your still on I'll send you a message as soon as I hop on Xbox live.

Probably not but I will be on tomorrow from 10AM GMT and am available pretty much all day. Just post on the forums when your on.

Just got home !! Are you still on ?? Tomorrow I work and have a family party that starts at 5pm !! If not then Monday would be my next available day around 7pm. Let me know what you think .

I will be on in 5 mins

I added x 7he7rooper as a friend and sent him a message. If you see this man lemme know when you can play.

CraigJ1410 (Obedient Dead) 2 - ALM1GHTY (Born of Flame) 1

You will see the vids but

Game 1 I get a turn 4 Obliterator but still only just win with a last kiss on a pheonix and a fume spitter shrinking a second.

Game 2 I lose when I get stuck on 3 land for too long. I could have won by playing exsanguiate on the turn before I died. But I think that is being results orientated. I think playing liliana's shade is right. When you see the vid let me know your views, I also had griselbrand, 2 exsanguiate and a corrupt in hand.

Game 3 I keep a solid hand and manage to use my sideboarded bat to gain life and give me enought time to Rune-scarred demon into a rise from the grave expecting it to die, then rising it back and fetching a tendrils to gain some life so that my griselbrand is a house.

Great games ALM1GHTY and thanks for doing the vids

Where is everyone, still alot of games unplayed and just over a day left

KrymsonHalo 2 - Midguy 1

Obedient Dead vs Ancient Wild

I took the first and last game, he worked me over the middle game.   

Hey TIMTANKTONK. Missed ya this morning as I had to start way early. Have 1 final attempt in 24 hrs

Hey 7rooper I can play at like 10 eastrn tonite or anytime this week

Thanks for the tourny yall cya next one

I defeated Spanglish 2-1. I was Born of Flame, he was Goblins. The first two matches were good, but he unfortunatly went down to 4 cards in the last game.

Hey KARnage303, sorry I missed you. I didn't realize what time it was in Australia. I start classes tomorrow, so I will be pretty busy. I do have some time in the early morning (8am-11am) which is about 12pm-2pm GMT. I would have knocked it out this weekend, but I had a family emergency. Just message me over Live and let me know what works!

Just got owned by TTT's peacekeepers vs my goblins 2-0 he went 1st both games with hawks n pumpers. Got mana screwed while in a winning position in 1st. Back to back fiend hunters screwed up my **** in 2nd. Well done TIM

Great two matches against KARnage303. I won (2-0), I was running Peacekeepers while he was running Goblin Gangland. I did wham him unecessarily with a Guardians Pledge, but that's becuase I thought he had some Shocks up his sleeve. That's not usually my style, but I was being cautious! Anyway, he was a skilled player, and would have beat me much sooner had I not gotten good opening hands.

PK really is the bane of Gobs. Particularly going first. Hoped ya wouldn't choose that deck :p

Frobious accepted my friend request but we haven't been on at the same time, I will be working today from now until 9pm GMT time, but I will be on all night after that..

12 hours left until the end of the round, anyone having problems playing their game?

Aug 20, 2012 -- 4:36AM, TBxGreenguy wrote:

Frobious accepted my friend request but we haven't been on at the same time, I will be working today from now until 9pm GMT time, but I will be on all night after that..

Hey TBxGreenguy; sorry we seemed to miss each other yesterday.  I'll make sure to be on this evening (I'm on EST) when you get home from work, so we can play our match.

Looking forward to it  

I lost to KrymsonHalo 1-2 (OD vs AW)

First game was just removal spell after removal and I couldn't get going.

Second game I won by just overwhelming him with card advantage thanks to him running out of removal and me having a Harvestor staying on the board for more than a turn.

Third match was close, but I screwed up by not sideboarding.  I had forgotten that in my last matchup vs Garruk I took spiders out of my deck and I was devastated to discover they weren't there when I had the opportunity to search my library for a creature and wanted to pull one to take out his vampire nighthawk.  I picked Thragtust to buy me some time by giving me some life and power on the board (he was only hitting me for 2 a turn with nighthawk).  Then a few plays later he throws out the runescar demon.  In hindsight, I should have gotten the elderscar worm because I think he was topdecking at this point and didn't have removal to deal with it for the time being.

Its been fun and I'm glad I could help contribute to confirming that Ancient Wilds is the absolute worst 1v1 deck in the game, lol.  Maybe next time we do this, I will play with a real deck.

So as we ate nearing the end of the tournament I would like to get some feedback. What did you like, what would you change, would you play in the next one?

I would definitely play in the next one.  

One suggestion would be that you make a decklist for each of the decks you'll be playing and you start each game with those cards.  Right now you can see who your opponent can use and pre-sideboard in a lot of cases.  Opponent has BoF, Exalted and OD?  Well, Befoul will be less useful, so I take those out and drop something else in.  Next opponent is creature heavy with no Black?  Befouls back in pre-game 1.  This actually makes sideboarding mean more.

Another would be to remove the 3 decks, and instead you can play any deck, but only 1 time in the swiss rounds.  Once the single elim portion starts, your deck counter resets, and you can play any deck again, but only 1 time.  This would remove the necessity for my first suggestion, AND make it easier on you/organizer, they just have to keep track of who played what, instead of doing all the work in advance of who MIGHT play what.  

I think the suggestion of adding your time zone into your signup post was also excellent.  Make it so much easier to be able to coordinate if you know  where your opponent is from and what times you can possibly meet up. 

 

I've decided to drop. Maybe next time. Good luck to everyone.

Only a few hours left, guys whats going on?

TBx Greenguy	Vs	Dr Frobious
I Abuse Welfare	Vs	DIVINExGEN0CIDE
BerneyBell	Vs	RichMerry

I ABUSE WELFARE just beat me 2-0 he had Born of Flame and i had Dream Puppets

Reporting in to confirm that I Abuse Welfare (Born of Flame) defeats DIVINExREV0LUTION (Dream Puppets) 2 - 0

I was expecting a Born of Flame mirror match so I took out Sulfuric Vortex and Furnace of Rath and put some more Chandra's Outrage s in. I also swapped out the 2 Magma Phoenix es for 2 Hostility s.

Game 1: A whole lot of playing around counterspells and pecking away with a Chandra's Phoenix . Thankfully, there were no Inferno Titan s in my grave for his 2 Body Double s to wreck me with, only an Obsidian Fireheart , which was managable. Slow and steady wins the race in this one.

Game 2: I board out all 4 Chandra's Outrage s and 2 Inferno Titan s for 2 Pyre Charger s, Sulfuric Vortex , Furnace of Rath , and 2 Flames of the Blood Hand s. I luck out and am on the play again. I lead out with Charger on turn 2 and hit for 1. He taps out for Howling Mine and get in for 4 with Charger. On my next attack, Crippling Chill on Charger lets me resolve the almighty Furnace of Rath . On my next turn, he only has 1 mana open, and Flames of the Blood Hand plus Fireblast fling 16 to the dome for a quick game 2.

Good games Revolution, and hope to see you in future tourneys, if you don't make top 8 on tiebreakers.

Hey Monk. Well done on running the tourney. No real dramas after 1st round when opponent was a no show. My only real issue is more with the system in having to go 2nd in a lot of games. I'll be up for the next one cheers

Aug 20, 2012 -- 7:38AM, Frostang wrote:

Aug 20, 2012 -- 4:36AM, TBxGreenguy wrote:

Frobious accepted my friend request but we haven't been on at the same time, I will be working today from now until 9pm GMT time, but I will be on all night after that..

Hey TBxGreenguy; sorry we seemed to miss each other yesterday.  I'll make sure to be on this evening (I'm on EST) when you get home from work, so we can play our match.

Looking forward to it  

Sorry about not getting on till now, if you can believe it a guy actually pulled a gun out in the bus home! :O
I think I handled myself pretty well by not wetting myself hahaha

TBx and Dr Frobius, don't worry about not playing you are the top 2 seeds anyway, Ill post the top 8 in 20 mins

Top 8 pairings are up, congratulations if you made it, Sorry if you didn't make it on tiebreakers, good luck next time. Quarter finals have until Saturday at 8AM GMT. Don't forget its best of 5!!!!

Just beat Dr Frobious (Pack Instinct) 1 - 2 (Born of Flame) Tbx Greenguy
GG's all three ended with the other at 2 or less life haha 

Aug 20, 2012 -- 4:05PM, TBxGreenguy wrote:

Just beat Dr Frobious (Pack Instinct) 1 - 2 (Born of Flame) Tbx Greenguy
GG's all three ended with the other at 2 or less life haha 

Updated the OP with this result, Mobius over to you for the stats

After 5 rounds of Swiss, here's how the decks did:

Obedient Dead: 9 - 10  (2 mirror matches) (.474)
Goblin Gangland: 6 - 3 (.667)
Exalted Darkness: 1 - 1 (.500)
Born of Flame: 12 - 8  (1 mirror match) (.600)
Ancient Wilds: 1 - 9 (.100)
Dream Puppets: 1 - 3 (.250)
Pack Instinct: 3 - 6 (.333)
Celestial Light: 0 - 3 (    )
Crosswinds: 6 - 4 (.600)
Peacekeepers: 7 - 0 (    )

- Born of Flame ended up being the most played deck (surprising), followed by Obedient Dead (not surprising). Goblins was tied for 5th most played deck (very surprising).

- Only 3 mirror matches the entire Swiss. (sorta surprising?)

- Peacekeepers destroyed everything in it's path. As far as life gain, the only thing gained was 3 points for their opponents.

- Ancient Wilds, once the darling of the boards, has sunken to Lindsay Lohan-like levels.

I think Monk has done a great job organizing this tournament. It's unfortunate we had so many drops though, which may (or may not) have affected tie-breakers for a lot of the people who finished 3-2.

I have a crazy idea for a tournament. Bear with me, this might be a little long.

First we would start off with 32 people. No more, no less. We would have one round of Swiss that doesn't count for anything other than pool play seeding. We would have 8 pools of 4. With 2 "winners" and 2 "losers" in each pool from the previous Swiss round. Everyone plays each other once in the pool, for 6 total matches per pool.

The top 2 from each pool advances (with the 1 Swiss round helping in case of a 3-way tie at 2-1...the "winner" seed would take precedence). We then go down to 4 pools of 4. Now the seeding here may be a bit trickier, but hopefully, with the 1 extra round of Swiss at the beginning, things like Opponent's Match and Game win % will sort things out, tie-breaker/seeding-wise.

Again, top 2 from each pool advances, and then we have a top 8, best of 5 single elimination bracket.

Problems with that? Aside from maybe tie-breaker issues in the 2nd round of pool play, that's a lot of games of Magic. 88 matches total before top 8. Other potential problems? Somebody who is 0-2 in their pool dropping or "throwing" a game, which could influence standings in the pool. My only solution to that is to make explicitly clear that anyone who does this will not be welcome back to any future tourneys. I guess I can just hope that everyone is a gentlemen/women about this.

I believe a format like this would 1) discourage people from dropping so early, and 2) hopefully remove the heartache of not making it in on breakers because all your wins were against people who dropped.

Now as far as rules: YOU CAN ONLY USE EACH DECK ONCE, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT.

The first Swiss round would be anything goes. Any deck you want.

First round of pool play, you "register" 3 decks, and use each of those decks once during that pool's play.

Second round of pool play, the same.

Top 8, pick a deck from what's left each round.

Now a potential problem with that is that some people may "wait" for other people in their pool to play so they can see what decks they use/use up, possibly influencing their own decision. Solution? Everyone, again, try to be a gentleman/woman about it, or PM results, or wait until the deadline to publicly post match results.

In my brain, doing it this way, makes the tournament more about the overall skill of the player, and less about the best decks. By the time the tournament would be all said and done, the winner (and runner-up) will have piloted TEN different decks. I for one would find this more interesting than just seeing someone pilot 1 or 2 decks for the entirety of a tournament. We'd also more than likely get to see some rare matchups (for forums tourneys anyways), like Celestial Light vs. Crosswinds, or Ancient Wilds vs. Exalted Darkness.

Then there would be the strategy of when to play the "best decks". Does one save Goblins and Liliana for top 8? Or does one use it early to increase the chances of even making top 8? Possibilities. Endless.

I know it would be a pretty huge undertaking, and I would even volunteer to run it, or help run it. But I think if this went down, and those who sign up don't douche it up and drop or make themselves unavailiable, I think something like this would be awesome.

Just a thought.

Aug 20, 2012 -- 5:51PM, mobiuschickenstrips wrote:

..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />Now as far as rules: YOU CAN ONLY USE EACH DECK ONCE, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT.

I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, it makes things more interesting, meaning you can't just bum rush goblins for all of your opponents. On the other hand, if I am left to play Crosswinds for example, and I am made to play against goblins, I feel like that will go quite nastily (if they don't give us Evacuation by then. I think there is a lot of balance here, and there was a healthy mix, with some favoritism to BoF, OD, and PK. I guess there will be 5 more decks in the mix next time, and this will hopefully mix things up. Towards the end of the tournament, I liked anticipating my opponents previous games, and figuring out what would be best to walk in with.

I must've missed the original rationale for registering only three decks, but relaxing that restriction could make it more interesting. You can still analyze their past games, but it creates more options to change things up for the future games.

Uh oh, Dr Frobious gets a chance at revenge for the Gamefaqs tourny.

 

I don't see it on the front page, but I'm pretty sure at some point Monk mentioned top 8 is best 3 out of 5. Is that correct?

Yes Mobius its best 3 out of 5 in the top 8

Aug 20, 2012 -- 5:51PM, mobiuschickenstrips wrote:

I think Monk has done a great job organizing this tournament. It's unfortunate we had so many drops though, which may (or may not) have affected tie-breakers for a lot of the people who finished 3-2.

I have a crazy idea for a tournament. Bear with me, this might be a little long.

First we would start off with 32 people. No more, no less. We would have one round of Swiss that doesn't count for anything other than pool play seeding. We would have 8 pools of 4. With 2 "winners" and 2 "losers" in each pool from the previous Swiss round. Everyone plays each other once in the pool, for 6 total matches per pool.

The top 2 from each pool advances (with the 1 Swiss round helping in case of a 3-way tie at 2-1...the "winner" seed would take precedence). We then go down to 4 pools of 4. Now the seeding here may be a bit trickier, but hopefully, with the 1 extra round of Swiss at the beginning, things like Opponent's Match and Game win % will sort things out, tie-breaker/seeding-wise.

Again, top 2 from each pool advances, and then we have a top 8, best of 5 single elimination bracket.

Problems with that? Aside from maybe tie-breaker issues in the 2nd round of pool play, that's a lot of games of Magic. 88 matches total before top 8. Other potential problems? Somebody who is 0-2 in their pool dropping or "throwing" a game, which could influence standings in the pool. My only solution to that is to make explicitly clear that anyone who does this will not be welcome back to any future tourneys. I guess I can just hope that everyone is a gentlemen/women about this.

I believe a format like this would 1) discourage people from dropping so early, and 2) hopefully remove the heartache of not making it in on breakers because all your wins were against people who dropped.

Now as far as rules: YOU CAN ONLY USE EACH DECK ONCE, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT.

The first Swiss round would be anything goes. Any deck you want.

First round of pool play, you "register" 3 decks, and use each of those decks once during that pool's play.

Second round of pool play, the same.

Top 8, pick a deck from what's left each round.

Now a potential problem with that is that some people may "wait" for other people in their pool to play so they can see what decks they use/use up, possibly influencing their own decision. Solution? Everyone, again, try to be a gentleman/woman about it, or PM results, or wait until the deadline to publicly post match results.

In my brain, doing it this way, makes the tournament more about the overall skill of the player, and less about the best decks. By the time the tournament would be all said and done, the winner (and runner-up) will have piloted TEN different decks. I for one would find this more interesting than just seeing someone pilot 1 or 2 decks for the entirety of a tournament. We'd also more than likely get to see some rare matchups (for forums tourneys anyways), like Celestial Light vs. Crosswinds, or Ancient Wilds vs. Exalted Darkness.

Then there would be the strategy of when to play the "best decks". Does one save Goblins and Liliana for top 8? Or does one use it early to increase the chances of even making top 8? Possibilities. Endless.

I know it would be a pretty huge undertaking, and I would even volunteer to run it, or help run it. But I think if this went down, and those who sign up don't douche it up and drop or make themselves unavailiable, I think something like this would be awesome.

Just a thought.

Pool play is a great idea. That's how most large international sports tournaments are run (e.g. football world cup), and it's a very fair strategy.

I have some ideas to add:

first, I think many will be either on the fence or against the rule "YOU CAN ONLY USE EACH DECK ONCE, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT", for reasons that TIMTAM did a good job at highlighting. I think the sentiment is good though; perhaps as an alternative players nominate 5 decks at the beginning of the tournament and can only play each deck twice throughout the tournament, excepting the initial swiss round and GF which would have their own unique rules. In the swiss round, as it's not so important, players could use whatever deck they like. In the GF, players must use one of the 5 decks they did NOT use during the tournament. The GF could be decided by best of 5, or another idea, in a best of 6 (or 8) where players exchange decks after 3 (or 4) rounds (e.g. P1 uses BoF, P2 uses OD and play 3 games of this, then P2 uses BoF, P1 uses OD and play 3 more games). Exchanging decks would avoid the tournament being decided by a bad match up in the grand final. If there would be a draw at the end of 6 (or 8) games, the match could be decided in a tiebreak. In the case of a mirror GF, it could simply be decided in a best of 5.

This strategy should have the same effect as the "only play each deck once" rule by increasing the diversity of decks and limiting the ability for spamming the favourable decks, but it would do this without forcing people to play with decks they don't enjoy using. I think this strategy would also leave a bit more room for tactical decisions about choosing which deck to play when.



My second idea is only relevant if the number of games each person is required to play becomes an issue. If this happens, then perhaps the tournament could be split into two groups or "divisions" (after the initial swiss round to decide pool structure). This would eliminate the second pool stage, going straight from the first pool stage to top 8 in each division. The winners from each division can then play off in the GF. If we went with this, then the "only use each deck once" rule may be more practical to implement.


EDIT: changed the format of my first idea slightly by allowing an extra degree of freedom.

How do you guys feel about nominating 5 decks. Then in each round having to use a different deck each game. So best out of 3 means you can change your deck twice and the top 8 best of 5 would be really interesting?

Aug 21, 2012 -- 2:48AM, monk1410 wrote:

How do you guys feel about nominating 5 decks. Then in each round having to use a different deck each game. So best out of 3 means you can change your deck twice and the top 8 best of 5 would be really interesting?

that could work...

I'm not sure if I like the idea of being forced into a certain match up though (i.e. in the fifth game of best of 5). I think having some degree of freedom is always good. Perhaps if players nominate 4 decks in the pools (best of 3) and 6 decks in the top 8 (best of 5)?? (or just 6 across the tourney)

EDIT: Actually, I think this method, while slightly decreasing the overall influence of match-up quality in determining round outcomes, increases the influence of chance in draws in determining round outcomes. Replaying games using the same decks controls, to some extent, for the influence of chance in draws in determining round outcomes. Both factors (match-up quality and chance in draws) are important, and need to be controlled for; this method may control slightly better for match-up quality (although I'm not entirely sure of this), but it completely neglects chance in draws. The other method still controls for match-up quality, as you have some idea of what the opponent will be playing (even more so toward the end of the tourney when it counts most) going into each game, but that method also controls for chance in draws. In summary, neither method really controls for bad match-ups (the best way to control for this is to exchange decks, but this is impractical), but the other method controls for chance in draws whereas this method does not. So, on second thought, I don't think your suggestion would be a good way to go -- at least, not as good as the alternatives that have been offered.

Maybe choose 4 for the swiss, 6 for knockout playing best of 5? Leaves some choice

I don't see a problem with 3 decks.  In most tournaments you would only play with one deck for the whole thing and your sideboard is your only out to a bad matchup.  Are there really more than 3 decks that you would want to play with in the tournament anyways?  Most people seemed to just stick with one deck.

I agree with Midguy.  I'd rather keep it 3 decks, or just not allow you to repeat a deck in swiss.  So you have to play 5 different decks, but you never know which ones they will be, just which one(s) they won't be after the first games.

It was hard enough to get people to pick 3 decks and get them sent in to the organizer in a timely fashion this time.  More decks = more problems. 

I don't think there's anything wrong with the "3 decks" thing, I was just striving for a little variety.

Take for example this iPad tourney I just played in. I picked Dream Puppets, Celestial Light, and Goblin Gangland (since those were the only decks I had fully unlocked at the time, and I never played Goblins). My opponent had Obedient Dead, Peacekeeprs, and Goblin Gangland.

Now, I would have to be an absolute maniac to play Dream Puppets in that scenario, since 2 of his 3 decks crush me. I certainly could have rolled the dice there though, since DP is pretty good against OD...but with my tournament on the line, I couldn't pull the trigger. So I went with Celestial Light.

Now I can't say that my opponent knew I would go that route, but he ended up picking OD, so I'm just going to assume he had a pretty good idea of what I was locked into (especially when I made it clear I wouldn't be playing Goblins at any time...and even if I had, it'd still be going up against OD...not the easiest of matchups). So I ended up playing Celestial Light.

I lost 2 -1 to the usual removal/tutor/bomb scenario, which is fine, because that is what that deck does.

I am simply advocating a format where it's very possible it won't be OD/GG all day. I already know those are the best two decks, and I play them enough in 1v1 as is. I'm more interested in seeing who the best overall player is, by taking some of us out of our comfort zones.

That's it.

Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:32AM, Janaxstrus wrote:

I agree with Midguy.  I'd rather keep it 3 decks, or just not allow you to repeat a deck in swiss.  So you have to play 5 different decks, but you never know which ones they will be, just which one(s) they won't be after the first games.

It was hard enough to get people to pick 3 decks and get them sent in to the organizer in a timely fashion this time.  More decks = more problems. 

Would it be easier to make it so everyone had only one deck, but in each best of rounds make players switch decks with their opponents?  I would change it so that instead of best of 5 or 3 or whatever, play an even number of matches and in the event of a tie...mirror match tie-breaker.   Niv said it above.

That would mitigate the luck factor to an extent, but I think the intent of only using a particular deck once was to avoid a small ammount of decks being played en masse to be the entire tournament. 

Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:48AM, mobiuschickenstrips wrote:

I don't think there's anything wrong with the "3 decks" thing, I was just striving for a little variety.

Take for example this iPad tourney I just played in. I picked Dream Puppets, Celestial Light, and Goblin Gangland (since those were the only decks I had fully unlocked at the time, and I never played Goblins). My opponent had Obedient Dead, Peacekeeprs, and Goblin Gangland.

Now, I would have to be an absolute maniac to play Dream Puppets in that scenario, since 2 of his 3 decks crush me. I certainly could have rolled the dice there though, since DP is pretty good against OD...but with my tournament on the line, I couldn't pull the trigger. So I went with Celestial Light.

Now I can't say that my opponent knew I would go that route, but he ended up picking OD, so I'm just going to assume he had a pretty good idea of what I was locked into (especially when I made it clear I wouldn't be playing Goblins at any time...and even if I had, it'd still be going up against OD...not the easiest of matchups). So I ended up playing Celestial Light.

I lost 2 -1 to the usual removal/tutor/bomb scenario, which is fine, because that is what that deck does.

I am simply advocating a format where it's very possible it won't be OD/GG all day. I already know those are the best two decks, and I play them enough in 1v1 as is. I'm more interested in seeing who the best overall player is, by taking some of us out of our comfort zones.

That's it.

I don't disagree.  I think requiring you change decks each round in swiss might encourage that.  If you have to use 5 different decks in the swiss portions, it forces more variety, by round 2 or 3 you can know what you WON'T be facing and it places a heavier emphasis on sideboarding, instead of pre-sideboarding.

And of course, there is always less bookkeeping, as when the reports come up, the decks and results are noted to ensure no one is playing OD or Born of Flame 2 times or whatever.

When you cut to top 8, then the available decks reset, or with only 8 players, then you pick a set number of decks.

And, I just want to make this clear, I'm not bashing people who are playing OD and GG in tourneys (you could even argue that I'm a flat-out stubborn idiot because I'm not), hell, I played Crosswinds THREE times during the Swiss rounds. It just goes back to the variety thing. I'd just like a tourney where it's more about the player and not the deck. In my case (and this is from a self-reflecting competitive standpoint), am I the all-around best player in this tourney, or was I simply the best pilot of Crosswinds in the tourney, or did I just luck into some favorable matchups? You can apply that to any player who has used a specific deck for the majority of the tournament.

I'm not saying going to a "one and done" deck format would definitively answer the best all-around player question either (bad matchups are inevitably going to pop up), but, which would you say is the more admirable achievement? Someone who took down a tourney having piloted 5+ different decks, or someone who played one deck for the majority of his/her tournament?

Aug 21, 2012 -- 2:48AM, monk1410 wrote:

How do you guys feel about nominating 5 decks. Then in each round having to use a different deck each game. So best out of 3 means you can change your deck twice and the top 8 best of 5 would be really interesting?

I think that's the best compromise solution. I've been wary to join any XBL tournaments because of what Mobius is talking about. I don't want to go into a tourney and have my list look like OD/AW/CW and then anyone who has GG in their 3 decks will almost force me to run OD. OD is my best, most consistent deck (I don't play GG at all), but it's also the least fun for me to play. It's about as close to "easy mode" as I like to let myself go, especially given how repetitive it gets and how little thinking it needs. At least if you made it so in a best of 3 matchup I'd only see GG once and can't lose the whole round to it alone it's a lot more comforting.  

Aug 20, 2012 -- 7:56PM, Janaxstrus wrote:

Uh oh, Dr Frobious gets a chance at revenge for the Gamefaqs tourny.

 

Yeah man; at least I won't be forced into quite as bad a matchup this time around.  Best of 5 should be fun too.

Me and Averagegamer90 just played and the results are in.. (Drumroll? Maybe?)

TBx Greenguy (Born of Flame) 3 - 1 (Obedient Dead) Averagegamer90

Dude had me sweating as he dropped the obliterator both game 1, which he won, and then game 2!
I turned it around and managed to win overall, all close games, great start to top 8!!

I abuse welfare !!! What's up? I'll be on around 8pm est time like always. Let me know when you wanna get are matches in .

It'd be a little different, but I'd enjoy a tournament where you picked three decks, and within a match you couldn't repeat the same deck.

Example match:

Me: Pack Instinct, Celestial Light, Obedient Dead
Opponent: Goblin Gangland, Obedient Dead, Crosswinds

Game 1: Pack Instinct  vs. Goblin Gangland
Game 2: Obedient Dead vs. Obedient Dead
Game 3: Celestial Light vs. Crosswinds

It'd be interesting to choose when to play your strongest/weakest decks. In this match I waited to play Celestial Light as my tiebreaker deck, as it was vulnerable to Goblins, which I expected him to play first. I lost the OD mirror match, then we play the tiebreak with our "third" decks. Maybe both people are playing with their least experienced deck at that point, or maybe you were sneaky and saved your best for the tiebreaker.

It'd take a bit longer to master more decks, but I think it'd be fun!

CraigJ1410 3 (Obedient Dead) - 1 Facerocker86 (Peacekeepers)

Aww, I thought I'd make top 8 since my loses were to TBx Greenguy and CraigJ.

Time warp infinite is f-ing broken !!! Of course you can win if you get infinite turns !! Just lost 3-2 to that bullshit !!! Nothing against my opponent but come on !! Both games were mine if that stupid combo wasn't in the game. Go blue or lose I guess cause I had no issues and enjoy the match-ups with every other deck but crosswinds. Wtf !!!!!!

@ALM1GHTY: I feel your pain man, and I take no offense. I'm not saying the combo isn't busted, but, if you look at it another way, games 2 and 3, I lost pretty much to your one card, Grave Titan , and games 4 and 5, you lost to my two cards, Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp .

Not that the above comment takes away the sting of losing like that any. I completely understand your frustration.

Good games though man. They were tense.

Aug 21, 2012 -- 7:05PM, mobiuschickenstrips wrote:

@ALM1GHTY: I feel your pain man, and I take no offense. I'm not saying the combo isn't busted, but, if you look at it another way, games 2 and 3, I lost pretty much to your one card, Grave Titan , and games 4 and 5, you lost to my two cards, Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp .

Not that the above comment takes away the sting of losing like that any. I completely understand your frustration.

Good games though man. They were tense.

No way.... Lol !!! I didn't know that was your gamer tag !! Yeah I really thought I had you. 1 more game to win and I'm feeling good.... Infinite !! Ok last game and once again solid hand... Infinite... !!! I'm pissed my laptop didn't record any matches but I'm glad at least i can see them from your perspective If you upload the vids. Good games of course but I was heated dude... Ha ha ha !! I was tasting that victory each game .

If it makes you feel any better, in game 5, I had 3 land and Time Warp + Panoptic Mirror in my opening hand. It took forever to see that 5th land to get the combo down. If I hadn't been able to counter Underworld Dreams with Spiketail Hatchling , it's very possible that I would not have had enough time to go infinite AND kill you. I think I had used up my Disperse s by that point to stall long enough to combo off. I'll have to rewatch it again. I have the videos uploading now.

Trust me, if I would have lost, I probably would have been pretty heated too, since I got bounced out of the semis in the iPad tourney by Obedient Dead earlier today. The whole match I was like, if I lose to this deck again...

On the brighter side of things, even though the above combo is frustrating to fold to, at least it's not on the level of Splinter Twin , Deceiver Exarch , Restoration Angel , Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker decks. Those are some aggravating decks to play against.

Here's the video of the quarterfinal match, where I Abuse Welfare (Crosswinds) squeaks by ALM1GHTY (Obedient Dead) 3 - 2

Game 1: One kicked Rite of Replication leads to victory and a whole lot of humming of NKOTB's "The Right Stuff".

Game 2: Bribery into Rune-Scarred Demon into Panoptic Mirror , amazingly enough, does not beat a single Grave Titan .

Game 3: After rewatching this game, I am beyond embarassed at my play. Why am I going out of my way to counter all those Nekrataal s again? I blame everything on my cat TomJohn, and the fact that my IQ begins with a decimal point. I end up losing to Grave Titan again, but with the way I was playing that game I probably would have lost to a Blister Beetle .

Game 4: Panoptic Mirror time! This was a grind though, as I had to manage a pair of shades while digging for the Time Warp . Mirror with Disperse and Sleight of Hand on it isn't the scariest thing in the world. Eventually I find the Warp, but I'm dead the turn before I go infinite if he has a Corrupt in his hand. He doesn't, and it's on to game 5.

Game 5: I keep a 3 land Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp hand on the draw, thinking this one is going to go pretty quick. Little did I know, it would take me what felt like 10 million draw steps (and drawing/digging with other cards) to find my 5th land to combo off. He lets my Spiketail Hatchling eat an Underworld Dreams early on. If he doesn't let that happen, it's verrrrrrrrrrrry possible I don't have enough time to win before Dreams kills me. I guess we'll never know...

It wasn't time to go, it was TIME TO D-D-D-D-DDDDDDUEL!!!

Also,

It'd be a little different, but I'd enjoy a tournament where you picked three decks, and within a match you couldn't repeat the same deck.

Example match:

Me: Pack Instinct, Celestial Light, Obedient Dead
Opponent: Goblin Gangland, Obedient Dead, Crosswinds

Game 1: Pack Instinct  vs. Goblin Gangland
Game 2: Obedient Dead vs. Obedient Dead
Game 3: Celestial Light vs. Crosswinds

It'd be interesting to choose when to play your strongest/weakest decks. In this match I waited to play Celestial Light as my tiebreaker deck, as it was vulnerable to Goblins, which I expected him to play first. I lost the OD mirror match, then we play the tiebreak with our "third" decks. Maybe both people are playing with their least experienced deck at that point, or maybe you were sneaky and saved your best for the tiebreaker.

It'd take a bit longer to master more decks, but I think it'd be fun!

I think this is a great idea. Matchup and metagame knowledge becomes a key factor.

Dr Frobious
vs
KrymsonHalo

Hi Guys any news on your game?

I do not want DQ's in the top 8 so if no game has been completed by Friday night I would like the next people in the standings to step in

x 7he7ooper
DIVINExGEN0CIDE

Would you be able to/ up for doing this?

I'd be happy to.

Shouldn't be a problem to get the games in.

EDIT: Waiting on Frobious now 

KrymsonHalo 3 - Dr Frobious 1

It was PeaceKeepers (KH) vs Obedient Dead (DF)

I have all of the games recorded, just for Mobius to critique, available on my youtube channel

Game 4 ending was pretty nutz.  I was down to about 5 cards in my deck to save me, and I pulled one.  Great games.



 

Extremely good games.  All felt very close except for the first were you got so many buffs that I just couldn't deal.  Also, nice play in Game 2 with Safe Passage to nullify Corrupt (I had forgotten that it prevented damage to the player too).

Very nice draw in the last game to wipe me out.  Maybe if I had drawn something other than land (ended with 2 in my hand) I could have forced a Game 5, but oh well.

So on to the semi finals, I will update the OP when I get home.

TBx Greenguy vs I Abuse Welfare.

TBx is still undefeated can anyone stop him.

CraigJ1410 vs KrymsonHalo

Aug 24, 2012 -- 1:35AM, monk1410 wrote:

TBx is still undefeated can anyone stop him.

No pressure then?

My videos for the Semifinals are at youtube.com/user/krymsonhalo  (can't get the embedding working atm, will fix when I get a chance)

Just in case he's reading: TBx, it won't let me accept your party invites, or let me invite you to a game anymore. In fact, it won't even let me send you a MESSAGE anymore. I have no idea what's going on.

Aug 24, 2012 -- 3:44PM, mobiuschickenstrips wrote:

Just in case he's reading: TBx, it won't let me accept your party invites, or let me invite you to a game anymore. In fact, it won't even let me send you a MESSAGE anymore. I have no idea what's going on.

I seconD this, Xbox froze up after I went to sideboard? :/

@TBx: Okay, I just reset everything in my house, and things look to be going smooth now, so I'll wait for you to hop back on.

I did the same, ready when you are!

Something is still wrong, it's telling me you've been offline for 18 minutes...

Just beat I Abuse Welfare 3 - 2 Born of Flame mirror
The last game was soooo annoying, I ended with 4 Chandras outrages in my hand and he didn't play a single creature all game
GG's man, thought you had me at 2 - 1 you! Haha

Confirming I lose in the Born of Flame mirror match (aka: battle of the topdecks) 3 - 2

Game 1: On the play, I find a way to make use of what I thought to be a worthless Chain Reaction to take down a Hostility and win the game on 4 life.

Game 2: On the draw, I am stuck on 2 land for FAR too long and by the time I'm able to start dropping Phoenixes, it's much too late.

Game 3: On the play, at the end, I'm on 3 life and end up Flame Slash ing my own Chandra's Phoenix so I don't die to a landfalled Searing Blaze . I topdeck a Hostility like a ch(u)mp and steal the game.

Game 4: On the draw, my poor sideboarding choices come to haunt me as I'm stuck with 2 Flamebreak s and an Earthquake , which sadly, don't deal with flyers. Those should have been Flames of the Blood Hand for sure.

Game 5: On the draw, this is just a complete travesty of a game, and if you're interested in hearing, I absolutely lose my mind in a fury of profanity after drawing, like, my one millionth land.

So, for those paying attention, whomever got to play first won the game. Good games Greenguy, though really, Born of Flame mirror matches aren't terribly exciting. Good luck in the finals.

Aug 24, 2012 -- 5:22PM, mobiuschickenstrips wrote:

"Game 3: On the play, at the end, I'm on 3 life and end up Flame Slash ing my own Chandra's Phoenix so I don't die to a landfalled Searing Blaze . I topdeck a Hostility like a ch(u)mp and steal the game."
Just in case you're interested, I could've won this game, but a poor decision to play my flyer instead of keeping the 6 land to play 2 Chandra outrages meant that I lost.. Of course I didn't know you were going to top deck a hostility

"So, for those paying attention, whomever got to play first won the game."
Funny you mentioned that, I said that to myself just before the final game! Haha

"Good games Greenguy, though really, Born of Flame mirror matches aren't terribly exciting. Good luck in the finals."
They are quick and pretty boring, I agree! And thank you! 

*Edit*
Extremely hard to mess with multi quote on an iPad  

KrymsonHalo 1 - Craig 3

PK vs OD.

I won the first, but misplayed the 2nd badly.  After that I think I drew 1 MAYBE 2 removal in the next 2 games and just couldn't keep up the damage output. 

CraigJ1410 (Obedient Dead) 3 - KrymsonHalo (Peacekeepers) 1

Game 1

Krymson slowly puts out threats and after a Mire's toll I see that my rise from the grave is no good vs a flickerwisp. I could not keep up with all the tokens

Game 2

I think Krymson miscalculated on the last attack into dread and phrexian obliterator losing a lot of permanents and leaving me alive. The bombs came online to take the game

Game 3 & 4

I have enough removal to last until runescarred demon fetches me the finishers, Massacre wurm in game 3 and corrupt in game 4

GG's KrymsonHalo, hope you enjoyed the tourney

Just lost 3 - 0 in the finals to CraigJ1410

Not going to complain, but if I was.. I was Born of Flame on the draw all three games and was mana flooded all three games, how's that for an unbeaten exit? ;D

I had good fun and will look forward to my revenge in the next one! Remember CraigJ1410 that's puts us at 1 - 1 overall haha

Yeah it was a bit anticlimactic. I do think Obedient dead has a slight edge over Born of Flame but yeah getting 8 land every game and a medallion is painful. I can't think of a solution to the who plays first scenario, just  part of DotP I guess.

Thanks everyone for playing hope you all join the next one, should be a week after the DLC. It would be good to get a discussion on the format, we have the following options

1) same as this one
2) choose 5 decks. play best out of 3 in the swiss using a different deck each game then best out of 5 in the knockout using all decks each round.
3) same as above except choose 3 decks for swiss and the choose 2 extra for the knockout forcing you to use all your decks each round
4) any other options?

Mobius - would be good to see the stats, I see the top 8 hurt Peacekeepers perfect record

Well, since no one seems to want to respond...

Although I played with and against a good amount of different decks, since it is Duels of the Planeswalkers I am all for variety (especially since it isn't as detrimental in this version as it was in previous versions), so I would be down for a format that included more/all the decks.  Don't get me wrong, I did enjoyed the 3 deck format, but I would be happy with anything that promotes even more diversity in deck choice and match ups.

What does everyone else think?

Aug 25, 2012 -- 5:04PM, monk1410 wrote:

Yeah it was a bit anticlimactic. I do think Obedient dead has a slight edge over Born of Flame but yeah getting 8 land every game and a medallion is painful. I can't think of a solution to the who plays first scenario, just  part of DotP I guess.

Thanks everyone for playing hope you all join the next one, should be a week after the DLC. It would be good to get a discussion on the format, we have the following options

1) same as this one
2) choose 5 decks. play best out of 3 in the swiss using a different deck each game then best out of 5 in the knockout using all decks each round.
3) same as above except choose 3 decks for swiss and the choose 2 extra for the knockout forcing you to use all your decks each round
4) any other options?

Mobius - would be good to see the stats, I see the top 8 hurt Peacekeepers perfect record

well, i saw the steam(?) group changed to a system similar to the one that you suggested, where people choose 4 decks they will use, and for each new game in a best-of-3 they need to choose one of those decks that hasn't already been used. I don't like how it removes sideboarding, and how it increases the influence of luck (from removing replication, and by ), but I gues it can work.

Honestly, I think the best method would be a mix -- you choose a set number of decks (4, 5, 6, whatever), and you have to use all but one of them before you can recycle them, BUT you use the same deck for the 3 (or 5 or whatever) games against a single opponent. I think this is the closest thing to getting the best of both worlds.

e.g.
let's say the tournament has 8 rounds.
I choose 5 decks: obedient dead, born of flame, crosswinds, celestial light, and peacekeepers
NOTE: to make things simple, the number of decks you must choose should probably be equal to half the potential max number of matches for a player in the tournament +1 (e.g. T = 8 matches, D = 5; T = 10 matches, D = 6; T = 3 matches, D = 3).

match 1: born of flame
game 1: win
(sideboard)
game 2: lose
(sideboard)
game 3: win

match 2: celestial light
game 1: lose
(sideboard)
game 2: win
(sideboard)
game 3: lose

match 3: obedient dead
game 1: win
(sideboard)
game 2: win

match 4: (ooh, my opponent's deck is potentially ancient wilds or exalted darkness, so out of peacekeepers and crosswinds I'll choose) peacekeepers
game 1:
game 2:

Can now recycle the decks -- again can only use each deck once until all but 1 of the decks has been used. Games may start being best of 5 at this point (may be the end of group stage, start of top 8); The same rules can still apply. Even if the top 8 starts earlier or later, you could keep the system working throughout, but it would be nice if the reset coincided with the progression into the next stage.

match 5:
G1:
G2:
G3:
G4:
G5:

etc.



We also need to agree on the tournament structure. I think the two propositions are:

(1) (any number of players) 6(?) rounds of swiss (best-of-3) with seeding after each round, top 8 elimination seeded based on results of swiss (best-of-5). Basically, the same set-up as last tournament.

(2) (32 players exactly) single swiss (best-of-3) to establish seeds, group stage all v all (4 per group, 4 groups, best-of-3), top 8 elimination seeded based on results of group stage (e.g. winner group A plays runner-up group B, runner-up group A plays winner group B; best-of-5).


I like the pool/group stage scenario, but it will be conditional on how many people show interest whether it's a viable option or not.

Aug 29, 2012 -- 12:48AM, niv__mizzet1 wrote:

well, i saw the steam(?) group changed to a system similar to the one that you suggested, where people choose 4 decks they will use, and for each new game in a best-of-3 they need to choose one of those decks that hasn't already been used. I don't like how it removes sideboarding, and how it increases the influence of luck (from removing replication, and by ), but I gues it can work.

FYI, the Steam tourney hasn't changed, it's still 3 deck Swiss right now.  People are discussing options for another tourney because the final round will begin soon.

Aug 29, 2012 -- 11:49AM, Spooky2 wrote:

Aug 29, 2012 -- 12:48AM, niv__mizzet1 wrote:

well, i saw the steam(?) group changed to a system similar to the one that you suggested, where people choose 4 decks they will use, and for each new game in a best-of-3 they need to choose one of those decks that hasn't already been used. I don't like how it removes sideboarding, and how it increases the influence of luck (from removing replication, and by ), but I gues it can work.

FYI, the Steam tourney hasn't changed, it's still 3 deck Swiss right now.  People are discussing options for another tourney because the final round will begin soon.

maybe it was another platform then, but i remember seeing it somewhere... and I'm pretty sure it wasn't people discussing other options, as it was game results being reported.

EDIT: it was PSN tourney

I'll restate my preferred method being Any Deck, but only 1 time, it means less book keeping, makes sideboarding actually mean something (no-pre-sideboarding) and in a 5 round swiss, makes for some legitimately hard choices when to use your "best" decks.

Maybe when you cut down to 8, you can use any of the 5 decks you used previously, again, only 1 time in the single elmination portion. 

I like the idea of having to play your three decks every round, and you determine the order. It would speed things up by removing the need to sideboard, and I think provide more interesting matches.

Aug 29, 2012 -- 12:08PM, Janaxstrus wrote:

I'll restate my preferred method being Any Deck, but only 1 time, it means less book keeping, makes sideboarding actually mean something (no-pre-sideboarding) and in a 5 round swiss, makes for some legitimately hard choices when to use your "best" decks.

Maybe when you cut down to 8, you can use any of the 5 decks you used previously, again, only 1 time in the single elmination portion. 

yeah, that's much like the strategy monk, and I, and I think mobius have suggested; I see the difference though; you're trying to remove the initial stage where you nominate decks, because you feel it has been a problem in the past.

Frankly, I'm happy with anything along these lines -- as long as you replay the same deck across a single best-of match, and there is a rule to disallow the repeated use of a deck across matches.

I will look at the numbers when I know how many people want to join but the basics are going to be 8 groups with 4 or more people in each group, everyone plays each other once and we cut to either top 8 or top 16. Each player chooses 5 decks and can only use each deck once in the groups. Best out of 3 with sideboarding. Then it resets for the knockout with the same 5 decks, again only use each deck once, best of 5. What do you think?

Aug 30, 2012 -- 3:49AM, monk1410 wrote:

I will look at the numbers when I know how many people want to join but the basics are going to be 8 groups with 4 or more people in each group, everyone plays each other once and we cut to either top 8 or top 16. Each player chooses 5 decks and can only use each deck once in the groups. Best out of 3 with sideboarding. Then it resets for the knockout with the same 5 decks, again only use each deck once, best of 5. What do you think?

sounds great. I'm definitely up for that. sign me up!