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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 2:03PM
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You are NOT targeting if the word target is not on the card. The only time you target is if the word TARGET appears on the card.
Or in the rules for a particular spell or ability, like Auras and the Equip ability. I know it's been said before, but just need to make that clear.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 2:05PM
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You are NOT targeting if the word target is not on the card. The only time you target is if the word TARGET appears on the card.
Or in the rules for a particular spell or ability, like Auras and the Equip ability. I know it's been said before, but just need to make that clear.
Ah yes. Though equip does actually say it in its reminder text, usually. Auras tend to leave that part out :/.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 2:13PM
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there is even a rule spelling it out 114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it’s not a target. 114.9b In particular, the word “you” in an object’s text doesn’t indicate a target.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 3:07PM
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So, define why "ALL" isn't a "target" ability...
Because, you are targeting ALL creatures with "destroy" on the card. They are being targeted, regardless. It is also coming from a colored source as well. I understand the concept of "global effects," but this seems like protection is moot unless you are "targeted," which you are still. Again, I'm not disputing the official rules, I'm just pointing out that you are technically "targeting" creatures with the card, because "ALL" is a target.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 3:09PM
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if it doesn't say "target" it doesn't target simple as that don't argue Magic rules with english (just wait till you learn the difference between "attacks" and "attacking", that is another fine example where english is simply not enough for the magic rules  )
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 3:13PM
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So, define why "ALL" isn't a "target" ability...
Because the rulebook says so.
Target in magic has a very speicific meaning. Because many things rely on targetting, (Shroud, protection, and many abilities) they regulate what targets very strictly.
In general, anything that says Target targets, anything that doens't doesn't.
Day of Judgement doesn't say target, so it doesn't target. Those are the rules of the game.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 3:14PM
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So, define why "ALL" isn't a "target" ability...
Because, you are targeting ALL creatures with "destroy" on the card. They are being targeted, regardless. It is also coming from a colored source as well. I understand the concept of "global effects," but this seems like protection is moot unless you are "targeted," which you are still. Again, I'm not disputing the official rules, I'm just pointing out that you are technically "targeting" creatures with the card, because "ALL" is a target.
This is really not the proper forum for that arguement. This forum is concerned with giving proper and correct answers to your questions, and if needed show support as to why it's ruled that way.
If you want to discuss the symantics of it and why the rule is the way it is, that should be discussed in the rules theory and templating forum.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 3:46PM
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Lets say you have a special suit that makes you invisible. You are standing in a small room. Someone throws a grenade into the room, and it explodes right next to you. Do you seriously think you will be immune to the shrapnel flying around because the person who threw the grenade couldnt see you?
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That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
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Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise  in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch  . YAY COLOR IDENTITY 
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 4:18PM
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So, define why "ALL" isn't a "target" ability...
It's been quoted to you multiple times, but I figure it's worth repeating until you understand that this exact rule covers precisely why it isn't a target ability:
114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it’s not a target.
Bold emphasis mine. So, check the wording on Day of Judgment  again:
Destroy all creatures.
Using the above logic, how can you dispute what you're being told? If the text doesn't say target, it doesn't target. Day of Judgment doesn't say target, so it doesn't target. Isn't that explanation precise enough? You're not going to get an answer that's any more clear than the official source being parsed via logic.
Edit - In addition:
114.1a An instant or sorcery spell is targeted if its spell ability identifies something it will affect by
using the phrase “target [something],” where the “something” is a phrase that describes an
object, player, or zone. The target(s) are chosen as the spell is cast; see rule 601.2c. (If an
activated or triggered ability of an instant or sorcery uses the word target, that ability is targeted,
but the spell is not.)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 4:53PM
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This may muddy things more than it helps, but ... ignoring the simple fact that DoJ doesn't target because it doesn't say it targets ...
When you target something, you are choosing what it affects. You have no choice in what DoJ affects; it destroys all creatures indiscriminately. Thus, it does not target. You have no choice in how the spell operates; you nuke everybody.
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