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11 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 6:42PM
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Oh please.
After getting stuck on several months of Delver we finally get out of that hole only for people to stat claiming somehow diversity doesn't count and the format is bad because they say so.
The only bomb cards in the format are Bonfire of the Damned and to a lesser extent Revenge of the Hunted. Sure, Miracle sucks and will probably going to end in the unplayable or unfun camp before it rotates, but it is certainly not Jace level ubiquitous. You can play something without them and expect to play against decks without them.
You can't possibly be that naive. Just because the next set has "Ravnica" in it it doesn't mean the format is going to magically flourish into dozens of different archetypes. First, we have to pray Ravnica doesn't get treated like Mirrodin so we will have "all the fun of Ravnica like Simic Sky Swaller 2.0 and super enhanced Autochton Wurm without none of the unfun evil cards like Mortify and Remand*". Even if that doesn't happen, you really need to explain how the new removal and permission is supposed to make control good instead of just making Delver be all over the place again.
My take is that the only way to accomplish it is to reinforce red and black without helping blue and white, so U / W Delver doesn't get benefits at all. That is very unlikely since black and red had been nerfed as of late for being the evil removal colors. Thus, it is impossible to have the "diversity" (asuming it doesn't actually mean x control or tempo winning all day long) you want without having cards banned. At best we will get a format like the current one, take it or leave it.
*Remand as a card that makes the format healthy is way overrated, but you get the point.
If Limited gets in the way of printing good Constructed cards...
Screw limited
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11 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 6:42PM
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Suggestion filed xD
Hope you guys are right about October and Wizards have those thoughts in mind.
Cheers
if nothing else, it looks sexy
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11 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 6:58PM
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 Maybe opposed colors fit the card name flavor better and don't fuel UW... while giving it harder casting conditions. Still, neither Red or Green have much to do with "Exile" do they? Well, Red has Incenerate.. Cheers
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11 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 7:30PM
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UW is the only way that makes sense pie-wise. But heck, I'm all for a copy in all the guild colors. Creatures are just getting stupid.
Or like, maybe they could print something that encouraged alternative strategies again. Like, not more busted creatures.
Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 10:20PM
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Who the hell names "Beast" with Cavern of Souls?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 12:58AM
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Who the hell names "Beast" with Cavern of Souls?
Good Point. Have seen it though. If that's what you got in your hand at the moment and you want it to see play, there's a chance you call 'Beast' in the turn you play Tusk.
Other than that, yeah, no one.
My proposition was in line with the discussion. And heck. We don't know what's coming too 
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 1:01AM
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Oh please.
After getting stuck on several months of Delver we finally get out of that hole only for people to stat claiming somehow diversity doesn't count and the format is bad because they say so.
The only bomb cards in the format are Bonfire of the Damned and to a lesser extent Revenge of the Hunted. Sure, Miracle sucks and will probably going to end in the unplayable or unfun camp before it rotates, but it is certainly not Jace level ubiquitous. You can play something without them and expect to play against decks without them.
You can't possibly be that naive. Just because the next set has "Ravnica" in it it doesn't mean the format is going to magically flourish into dozens of different archetypes. First, we have to pray Ravnica doesn't get treated like Mirrodin so we will have "all the fun of Ravnica like Simic Sky Swaller 2.0 and super enhanced Autochton Wurm without none of the unfun evil cards like Mortify and Remand*". Even if that doesn't happen, you really need to explain how the new removal and permission is supposed to make control good instead of just making Delver be all over the place again.
My take is that the only way to accomplish it is to reinforce red and black without helping blue and white, so U / W Delver doesn't get benefits at all. That is very unlikely since black and red had been nerfed as of late for being the evil removal colors. Thus, it is impossible to have the "diversity" (asuming it doesn't actually mean x control or tempo winning all day long) you want without having cards banned. At best we will get a format like the current one, take it or leave it.
*Remand as a card that makes the format healthy is way overrated, but you get the point.
Diversity is definitely important, but the diversity in this format is somewhat illusory. Most decks play almost identical game plans, and the format can still be boring when it's balanced and/or diverse.
Delver won't be a thing post format when it loses Ponder (and Gitaxian Probe). It simply will not be a major deck.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 6:16AM
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Oh please.
After getting stuck on several months of Delver we finally get out of that hole only for people to stat claiming somehow diversity doesn't count and the format is bad because they say so.
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My take is that the only way to accomplish it is to reinforce red and black without helping blue and white, so U / W Delver doesn't get benefits at all.
That's a very asenine approach- because you know Zombies and GR Aggro didn't win tournaments during "delver dominance". As far as I recall, 2 weeks after Avacyn Restored was released, Gerry Thompson made the "Angel Delver" deck, tore down a tournament with it (because y'know it couldn't have had anything to with him being a decent Magic player), and suddenly the format was busted, diversity was lost and everything was gloom and doom. Frankly, the Seachrome Coast  decks aren't oppressively good nor were they oppressively good post-Innistrad, but they share the same card frames (and a few card names) with CawBlade, and butts still be hurtin'.
Game design isn't about hosing competitive archetypes, it's about making an enjoyable product with exciting content. Development concerns itself with making cards reasonable for tournament play, but not for controlling what a future format looks like (as that is relatively impossible.)
I also don't see your supposed "diversity" being a huge thing in the new meta. Now Delver isn't the only deck that makes it difficult to play control or combo decks, and the number of viable decks (decks that can reasonably 2/3 games every round at a tournament) has shrunken.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 9:37AM
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Those of you who think Delver is already dead, you play with a bunch of terrible netdeckers who cannot think to build and/or modify a deck for themselves.
Delver/Snapcaster/Ponder/Gitaxian Probe/Mana Leak/Vapor Snag is still the best deck in the format.
And then add into the mix the fact that the majority of T1.5 decks get squashed into the ground by "Oh God I'm So Lucky Let Me Fireball Everything" and Thragtusk, the "Sure Hope Delver didn't side in Flashfreeze" .dec
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 10:29AM
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- UnCon Prizewinner 2008
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No matter where this thread goes, I'm still more afraid of Batterskull. I'm still more afraid of Gideon. I'm still more afraid of a whole host of other 5cc cards that exist in this format.
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