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Magic: The Gathering Rules Q&A Witchbane Orb and Blood Artist (and Geralf)
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 13, 2012 - 10:19AM #1
Wulfgar375
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2012
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How does Witchbane Orb work with these two cards(Blood Artist and Geralf)?
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 13, 2012 - 10:22AM #2
Kenjiblade
Date Joined: May 6, 2011
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Whoa, that coding got messy.  Also, autocarding is your friend:

[ c ]Witchbane Orb[ /c ] becomes Witchbane Orb (remove the spaces in the brackets to get this result)

Edit - Whoops, misread the cards in question. D'oh!

Anyway, if your opponent has hexproof, you can't target him with either Geralf's Messenger or Blood Artist 's triggered abilities.  In a multiplayer game, you would be forced to choose a different opponent.  If there are no legal targets for either of these abilities, then they'll end up doing nothing.  But, as Enigma pointed out, Blood Artist still has a legal target -- yourself.
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 13, 2012 - 10:23AM #3
RaizielDragon
Date Joined: May 15, 2009
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If your opponent has a Witchbane Orb , you wouldn't be able to target them with the triggered abilities of Blood Artist or Geralf's Messenger , or target them with any abilities, triggered, activated, or otherwise.
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 13, 2012 - 10:24AM #4
Enigma256
Date Joined: Jul 28, 2010
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if your opponent has Witchbane Orb out Blood Artist 's and Geralf's Messenger 's lifeloss ability does not work (you are forced to target yourself with Blood Artist netting you 0 life, and Geralfs ability will fizzle)
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 13, 2012 - 10:35AM #5
ikegami
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2007
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By "fizzle", he means it is simply removed from the stack rather than countered.

603.3d The remainder of the process for putting a triggered ability on the stack is identical to the process for casting a spell listed in rules 601.2c–d. If a choice is required when the triggered ability goes on the stack but no legal choices can be made for it, or if a rule or a continuous effect otherwise makes the ability illegal, the ability is simply removed from the stack.


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12 months ago  ::  Jul 13, 2012 - 5:57PM #6
Wulfgar375
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2012
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thanks guys that helps me a lot!
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