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So we'll like how the M10 lands play with RtR? Will they EVER stop trolling with shocklands? I mean, the on;y possible way they can play more interestingly is non-basics with basic land types, so it's either shocklands, or angry gamers.

Jul 12, 2012 -- 10:24PM, TranscientMaster wrote:

So we'll like how the M10 lands play with RtR? Will they EVER stop trolling with shocklands? I mean, the on;y possible way they can play more interestingly is non-basics with basic land types, so it's either shocklands, or angry gamers.

Maybe it's new Duals?

JMD tome isn't all that great.  It was good back in the day, and it isn't completely terrible now.  It's main value was letting you leave mana up for tricks without feeling that mana was wasted.  And it is a potentially powerful card, and it definitely will take over super long games, since any "I drew a land" turn becomes an "I activated my tome" turn.  I really want to like the card, but games need to go pretty long (or at least stabilize) in order for the card to be good.  I think the card was much better back when 2/1 for W justified a card being rare with no relevant abilities or creature types.  I'm more curious to see if anybody will manage to put together an old-school draw-go type of deck that manages to use this old thing.

And Spiked Baloth is reasonbly good.  4/2 does "trade down", but if you block with something small you're still taking significant damage from it.  I happened to have one, a Cathedral of War , and a whole lot of red burn spells, and he's pretty good if there's nothing you can profitably block him with.  4/2 trades down easily, but it also trades up just as easily, and nobody wants to block this guy with their Serra Angel if they can help it.

Jul 12, 2012 -- 9:53PM, SnowFire wrote:

One of the most contentious cards in the file, the inclusion of Jayemdae at uncommon was derided initially by both by Tom LaPille and Max McCall. It was important to me, though, that every color have access to a method of mitigating mana flood and gaining card advantage at lower rarities. I also thought there was some powerful resonance and nostalgia behind the Tome, as well as a completely amazing piece of art. The counter-argument was that it heavily enabled raw card advantage as a strategy.

"Heavily enabled?"  I dunno.  I haven't played M13 limited yet, but Jayemdae is (was?) bad.  Bad bad bad bad.  I will be very surprised if it is more than a role-player in Limited for slow decks that can afford the 12-mana-for-a-Divination, and it'll be irrelevant in even casual Constructed short of some kind of mono-black control deck with a zillion mana from something Cabal Coffersy (Liliana?!).  

I can see that complaint about something like Archivist , maybe, which is potentially great in Limited even if irrelevant in Constructed.   Same with  Honden of Seeing Winds - I played a good deal of Kamigawa limited and it was an excellent card, but not an unstoppable bomb.  So R&D thinks this strategy is unfun, fine, but that strategy simply won't get played as often if it's at a lower power level.  The Tome's gigantic 4 mana a turn cost means that you're not getting that card engine going for some time, and by turn 7 or so, there's big bombs and surprises to worry about anyway which can overwhelm straight card advantage strategies. 

Also insert obligatory whine here about how some players like grinding out incremental advantages, etc., but that's been over before.

nope. I've won every Pro Tour in the last 17 years with 4 Tome and 56 land decks. It should be banned in all formats.

Magmaquake , Volcanic Geyser , CC isnt really that restrictive. I prefer both of these though, Magma may actually be playable where Earth isnt and I dont wanna see Fireball ever again.
Smelt ...dont give us a lame excuse why this card's ok. It should've been around 10 years ago, if its for Swords, a year ago, but dont tell me we are getting it just one time. This is what it should be.
OMG!!!!!!! Rancor + Infect?!??!?!? You're right, that would've been way too good!
Thanks for the Rings. Keep them or make good Lucky charms.
Keep the M10 lands. I dont like them, but I want that one constant in the core set.
Sorry, Hellion Crucible is awful.

Im really disappointed by the fact that Fireball is downgraded so much to Volcanic Geyser . Fireball has always been good, but never extremly good.
And m10 lands are ok in the way that constant in core sets is fine, but just dont print them at rare. It makes them expensive and still annoying to open one in a pack. Anyway maybe maybe they drop some more in price, since this is probably the last core set for them, and RTR will come with more duals.


(im talking btw from a casual point of view, so for fireball: it might not see a lot of tournament play and still be to good in limited. In casual anyway its always been fine.)