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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:01PM
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I was thinking about how Koth was a planeswalker from Mirrodin, a manufactured plane based - essentially - on the concept of living artifice. Phyrexia on the other hand is a manufactured plane based - esentially - on the concept of forced organic evolution with some non-organic modification (think Borg from Star Trek).
Yawgmoth once tried to identify an "organ" that granted the ability to Planeswalk, and while he was unsuccessful I don't really see how it explains the utter lack of Planeswalkers born on Phyrexia. I mean sure it's all artificial creation, but so is Mirrodin and apparently some dude (Koth) was born with a Spark over there. And Mirrodin is like, thousands of years younger than Phyrexia - so probability says that there should have been a Phyrexian planeswalker by now.
And by the way, Yawgmoth was neither a Planeswalker or truly Phyrexian (since he was born on Dominaria), so either way he doesn't qualify.
Anyone know if this has been explained anywhere that I might have missed?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:11PM
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Because no Phyrexian was "born" they were decanted. Newts are not natural beings, they are created.
Mirrodin, on the other hand, was only constructed so far as the actual sphere that makes up Mirrodin. Unlike Phyrexia, it was created in an existing Planar Void (or Karn tore down a desolate plane for pure resources to be used in Mirrodin's construction.) so Karn never actually created the space that Mirrodin inhabits.
The point is, that Mirrodin is not as artificial as one would believe and even then, the people were not artificially created as the Phyrexians are.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:14PM
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When a mommy with a soul, and a daddy with a soul love each other a whole bunch, they can get a little baby with a soul. And you kinda need a soul to have a spark, and Phyrexia doesn't really do souls.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:33PM
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When a mommy with a soul, and a daddy with a soul love each other a whole bunch, they can get a little baby with a soul.
And you kinda need a soul to have a spark, and Phyrexia doesn't really do souls.
Xantcha would disagree.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:36PM
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Well, that's where this gets very, very complicated. It's not really well established what the difference between a soul and consciousness is. We know, for example, that Geth had lost his soul years ago! Xantcha was conscious, and had a distinct personality, created by a series of coincidences and accidents. For Ratepe, it didn't matter that she had no soul (or that she was, you know, sexless). For Urza, it did. For the Spark, it also matters, apparently.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:38PM
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I see...So the answer is basically "because, Sky Wizards."
Right?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:39PM
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I see...So the answer is basically "because, Sky Wizards."
Right?
It's "Because Phyrexians are created, not born". They're more like artificial constructs, so to have a spark they'd have to be built with one.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:57PM
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Not exactly. In order to naturally possess a Spark, the planeswalker first needs to be a living being. The original Phyrexians were never alive - they were basically Terminators, machines that had some biological aspects grafted on to them to make them better weapons or so that they could take care of some particular job. The big baddie of them all, Yawgmoth, had the potential for a spark but was never born with one. After that, he sort of lacked any source for a new one. It is possible to acquire one, as Karn managed to acquire two of them so far, first Urza's at the end of the Phyrexian invasion, then Venser's at the end of Search for Karn.
Now, it might be possible for the new generation of Phyrexians to end up developing a spark. Despite being from an artificial plane they are remarkably more organic than the previous generation, mostly because they aren't being focused by Yawgmoth's will. While it seems unlikely that Elesh Norn or Sheoldred will ever see the Spark amongst their followers, Vorinclex has a much more natural base, while Urabrask is allowing his faction to mix with the Mirran survivors. They have the best chances at seeing it, assuming any of their units replenish biologically.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 2:15PM
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Not exactly. In order to naturally possess a Spark, the planeswalker first needs to be a living being. The original Phyrexians were never alive - they were basically Terminators, machines that had some biological aspects grafted on to them to make them better weapons or so that they could take care of some particular job. The big baddie of them all, Yawgmoth, had the potential for a spark but was never born with one. After that, he sort of lacked any source for a new one. It is possible to acquire one, as Karn managed to acquire two of them so far, first Urza's at the end of the Phyrexian invasion, then Venser's at the end of Search for Karn.
Now, it might be possible for the new generation of Phyrexians to end up developing a spark. Despite being from an artificial plane they are remarkably more organic than the previous generation, mostly because they aren't being focused by Yawgmoth's will. While it seems unlikely that Elesh Norn or Sheoldred will ever see the Spark amongst their followers, Vorinclex has a much more natural base, while Urabrask is allowing his faction to mix with the Mirran survivors. They have the best chances at seeing it, assuming any of their units replenish biologically.
Most of that was incorrect.
1) Yawgmoth never had a spark
2) The original Phyrexians were very much alive
3) Yawgmoth was a medical doctor, his whole deal was improving the flesh, and while he used some artifact technology (grafting metal, etc), the original Phyrexians were largely a product of, for lack of a better word, nazi-esq experimentation.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 2:17PM
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Not exactly. In order to naturally possess a Spark, the planeswalker first needs to be a living being. The original Phyrexians were never alive - they were basically Terminators, machines that had some biological aspects grafted on to them to make them better weapons or so that they could take care of some particular job. The big baddie of them all, Yawgmoth, had the potential for a spark but was never born with one. After that, he sort of lacked any source for a new one. It is possible to acquire one, as Karn managed to acquire two of them so far, first Urza's at the end of the Phyrexian invasion, then Venser's at the end of Search for Karn.
Now, it might be possible for the new generation of Phyrexians to end up developing a spark. Despite being from an artificial plane they are remarkably more organic than the previous generation, mostly because they aren't being focused by Yawgmoth's will. While it seems unlikely that Elesh Norn or Sheoldred will ever see the Spark amongst their followers, Vorinclex has a much more natural base, while Urabrask is allowing his faction to mix with the Mirran survivors. They have the best chances at seeing it, assuming any of their units replenish biologically.
Actually, Deckhopper, you've got it backwards. Like Barinellos said, the Phyrexians, old and new, and even offshoots like K'rrik's group, were all decanted from breeding vats. They were essentially biological creatures that were then compleated with artifice.
@Hellspawn:
...Eh? Sorry, I'm not getting your meaning.
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