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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:04AM
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I have Divine Favor  in my Graveyard, Absolute Grace  & Shifting Sky  (set to black) on the Field. I attack with Bruna, Light of Alabaster  . May I still get 3 life?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:09AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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you will not gain 3 life 303.4g If an Aura is entering the battlefield and there is no legal object or player for it to enchant, the Aura remains in its current zone, unless that zone is the stack. In that case, the Aura is put into its owner’s graveyard instead of entering the battlefield.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:11AM
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No. The aura will be black on the battlefield, and attaching to a creature with protection from black, which means it can't legally enchant Bruna. 303.4g If an Aura is entering the battlefield and there is no legal object or player for it to enchant, the Aura remains in its current zone, unless that zone is the stack. In that case, the Aura is put into its owner’s graveyard instead of entering the battlefield.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:11AM
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:13AM
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interesting, that could also be possible (Chaikov, next time use Painter's Servant  so the answer is easier :p) I'm stumped
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:18AM
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I'm looking for an aura rule similar to this, but I can't find anything: 614.12. Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. (See rules 614.1c–d.) Such effects may come from the permanent itself if they affect only that permanent (as opposed to a general subset of permanents that includes it). They may also come from other sources. To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account replacement effects that have already modified how it enters the battlefield, continuous effects generated by the resolution of spells or abilities that changed the permanent’s characteristics on the stack (see rule 400.7a), and continuous effects from the permanent’s own static abilities, but ignoring continuous effects from any other source that would affect it.
It seems like the game should needs to look forward in time to determine whether the aura will legally enchant the creature or not, but maybe it looks at it in its current zone. I don't really see anything to indicate either way.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:22AM
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Due to Shifting Sky , the aura would be black on the battlefield from the first moment on. There's no time, when it is on the battlefield and not black. So the game state would go from having a (non)black aura card in the graveyard to a black aura attached to a pro:black creature. 303.4g prevents this and the aura never enters the battlefield.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 9:34AM
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While 303.4g and 303.4h don't say what effects you're allowed to consider, 303.4f does. Admittedly, this rule is not for chaikov's specific scenario, but it is for a very similar scenario: 303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player's control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn't specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura's enchant ability and any other applicable effects.
If all effects are taken into consideration in the case where no object or player is specified, it seems reasonable to me that it should also do so when an object or player is specified.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 1:58PM
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This works the same way replacement effects do as told by rule 614.12. Divine favor is entering the battlefield as a white aura and so it can enter attached to Bruna triggering the life gain ability. Then SBAs will be checked and, as a black aura that's attached to a pro-black creature, it will go to the graveyard.
If we replace shifting sky with painter's servant the answer won't be easier. It will be exactly the same.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 2:01PM
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no, with Painter's Servant it will be a black Aura trying to enchant a pro-black creature, it won't even enter the battlefield because of 303.4g
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