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12 months ago ::
Jul 06, 2012 - 10:48AM
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Mar 12, 2011
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Treating the same trigger differently when entering the graveyard from the battlefield or from somewhere else would be confusing. The trigger should behave the same in all instances. But the reason it is as it is, is because this rule says so.
603.6c Leaves-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent moves from the battlefield to another zone, or when a phased-in permanent leaves the game because its owner leaves the game. These are written as, but aren’t limited to, "When [this object] leaves the battlefield, . . ." or "Whenever [something] is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, . . . ." An ability that attempts to do something to the card that left the battlefield checks for it only in the first zone that it went to. An ability that triggers when a card is put into a certain zone "from anywhere" is never treated as a leaves-the-battlefield ability, even if an object is put into that zone from the battlefield.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 06, 2012 - 10:49AM
#32
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@Enigma256 - That actually makes more sense now. I guess you just worded it in a way that clicked.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 06, 2012 - 10:52AM
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700.6. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.” It is used only when referring to creatures.
Driver of the Dead  triggers on "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield".
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn  triggers on "is put into a graveyard from anywhere".
Are you saying that's sufficiently different, or are you saying the article is wrong?
It's the former:
603.6c Leaves-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent moves from the battlefield to another zone, or when a phased-in permanent leaves the game because its owner leaves the game. These are written as, but aren’t limited to, “When [this object] leaves the battlefield, . . .” or “Whenever [something] is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, . . . .” An ability that attempts to do something to the card that left the battlefield checks for it only in the first zone that it went to. An ability that triggers when a card is put into a certain zone “from anywhere” is never treated as a leaves-the-battlefield ability, even if an object is put into that zone from the battlefield.
Which matters for aformentioned 603.6d.
603.6d Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities must be treated specially. Leaves-the-battlefield abilities, abilities that trigger when a permanent phases out, abilities that trigger when an object that all players can see is put into a hand or library, abilities that trigger specifically when an object becomes unattached, abilities that trigger when a player loses control of an object, and abilities that trigger when a player planeswalks away from a plane will trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the event rather than afterward. The game has to “look back in time” to determine if these abilities trigger.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 06, 2012 - 12:59PM
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There are two kind of triggers here: 1) "leave the Battlefield" 2) "Enter the GY" The first kind of trigger cares about what you were on the 'field, so a Phantasmal Image looks like a Driver of the Dead and triggers. The second kind of trigger cares about what you look like in the 'yard, and in teh Yard the Phyrexian Metamorph is no longer Emmy, but just a weird Artifact Shapeshifter. Yixlid Jailer  shuts down Number 2) (because it cares about the GY), but not Number 1), because it does nothing on the battlefield.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 06, 2012 - 5:59PM
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Hmm... I didn't know put into the graveyard from anywhere didn't apply to dieing. I'm just confused. If the Image can trigger the Driver when it hits the graveyard, how is that different from put into the graveyard from anywhere? Anywhere includes the battlefield.
Yes, anywhere includes the Battlefield. But leaving the Battlefield IS the special case.
The trouble is, this special case happens so often we tend to think of it as the normal case.
The Clone-Emrakul non-triggering is the normal case; it is the Clone-DriverDead triggering that should surprise you.
Check rule 603.6d again: Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked...
So you must check Clone-Emrakul AFTER it went to the Graveyard: it's only a dumb Clone card in the Grave.
No trigger.
But Clone-DrivreDead is a special case;
Check rule 603.6d again: Leaves-the-battlefield abilities (...) will trigger based on (...) the appearance of objects prior to the event...
Driver of the Dead triggers from leaving-the-Battlefield: you must check Clone-Driver BEFORE it goes to the Grave, when it is still a Driver, so it triggers.
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