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Hypotheical: Take all the current Planeswalkers. Teamed up. Who'd be where and what would happen?

Team Bolas: Sarkhan, Tibalt, Tezz, Rakka, Baltrice, Bolas

Versus: Jace, Garruk, Ajani, Sorin Gideon, Chandra, Elspeth, Karn, Koth

Rogue: Liliana, Nissa

Have at it!

This can't possibly end well...

How about more one-on-one. Although that could be even worse. And give Keeper ideas...

Super Smash Planeswalkers: Melee

With a hidden bonus game: Super Smash F&S community.

Was I the only one that pictured all of the walkers as Japanese high schoolers violently butchering each other?

Jul 5, 2012 -- 11:41AM, Yxoque wrote:

Super Smash Planeswalkers: Melee

Jul 5, 2012 -- 12:01PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Was I the only one that pictured all of the walkers as Japanese high schoolers violently butchering each other?

No, but then again I also flashed to Deadman Wonderland and the Hunger Games too so....

I propose we talk about individual matches and damn the consquences.

Nissa vs Koth go.

Jul 5, 2012 -- 11:41AM, Yxoque wrote:

Super Smash Planeswalkers: Melee : THE CARD GAME

Corrected for you.

Might I suggest a more meaningful match. Last time Nissa saw Sorin, he looked at her and said, " Nice move, dip****! You just doomed your world!" A vanished with finger in the air. I think she's got something for him if they cross paths again.

Might I suggest a more meaningful match. Last time Nissa saw Sorin, he looked at her and said, " Nice move, dip****! You just doomed your world!" A vanished with finger in the air. I think she's got something for him if they cross paths again.

That one won't end well for Nissa.
Either she crosses swords with him and the Parasite Blade kills her living vine sword, making her rely entirely on magic, or Sorin sings a little ditty and Nissa ends up as elf pudding on the ground.

Nissa v Koth I also don't see going well for lady elf.

To summarize, hammer meet leaf.

Jul 5, 2012 -- 4:29PM, Cogminded wrote:

Nissa v Koth I also don't see going well for lady elf. To summarize, hammer meet leaf.

Hammer meet Naturalize
The lady is an expert at breaking things.

Seriously though, Koth and Nissa are fairly evenly matched.

Good points. So who'd take out Sorin? I'd think only Bolas, Karn, or Jace would really have a chance.

Jul 5, 2012 -- 6:50PM, MasterGing wrote:

Good points. So who'd take out Sorin? I'd think only Bolas, Karn, or Jace would really have a chance.

Lysene could take him out with the power of their loooooove.

#Shippingcharacterswhodontexistbeyondtheirnames

Jul 5, 2012 -- 6:50PM, MasterGing wrote:

Good points. So who'd take out Sorin? I'd think only Bolas, Karn, or Jace would really have a chance.

Jace is hard to say. They both specialize in mental magics, but Jace, while naturally powerful doesn't have the finesse beings like Bolas or Sorin do. I wouldn't give it to Jace.
I think Liliana could throw down hard with Sorin. Garruk might be able to do it as well. Sarkhan has a chance.

Karn would provide a challenge for Sorin's normal strategy. Aside from that, I don't think Karn could beat anything unless he was trying HELP THEM.

Jul 5, 2012 -- 11:29AM, MasterGing wrote:

Hypotheical: Take all the current Planeswalkers. Teamed up. Who'd be where and what would happen? Team Bolas: Sarkhan, Tibalt, Tezz, Rakka, Baltrice, Bolas Versus: Jace, Garruk, Ajani, Sorin Gideon, Chandra, Elspeth, Karn, Koth Rogue: Liliana, Nissa Have at it!

this would turn ugly pretty soon
Gideon and Chandra don't work all too well on the same team anymore
Nissa might actually side with team Bolas to have a shot at Sorin
Baltrice and Tezzeret will be up against Jace, giving him a hard time
Karn will most likely find something stupid to do that makes everything worse, most likely, he will just walk away
Elspeth and Ajani go emo and cut themselves
Garruk will be occupied with Liliana
that leaves Koth alone to deal with Sarkhan, Tibald and Rakka

Jul 6, 2012 -- 2:13AM, Feroz-s_Familiar_Pheldy wrote:

Jul 5, 2012 -- 11:29AM, MasterGing wrote:

Hypotheical: Take all the current Planeswalkers. Teamed up. Who'd be where and what would happen? Team Bolas: Sarkhan, Tibalt, Tezz, Rakka, Baltrice, Bolas Versus: Jace, Garruk, Ajani, Sorin Gideon, Chandra, Elspeth, Karn, Koth Rogue: Liliana, Nissa Have at it!

this would turn ugly pretty soon
Gideon and Chandra don't work all too well on the same team anymore
Nissa might actually side with team Bolas to have a shot at Sorin
Baltrice and Tezzeret will be up against Jace, giving him a hard time
Karn will most likely find something stupid to do that makes everything worse, most likely, he will just walk away
Elspeth and Ajani go emo and cut themselves
Garruk will be occupied with Liliana
that leaves Koth alone to deal with Sarkhan, Tibald and Rakka

I have no clue where you are getting Rakka from.
Do you mean Ral Zarek? Might as well throw Kiora Atua in there as well.
In addition, Tamiyo is not present.
Tibalt has no interest in fighting, he's about... the artistry of pain, not the brute of it.

Still, single by single cases would be much much more appropriate.

My match-ups:

Jace and Garruk team up buddy-cop style against Liliana and Tezzeret.  The fighting is punctuated by Garruk trying to rip Lilly to shreds while she tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.  Unfortunatley, Jace is busy trying not to get choked out by Tezz, who has picked up a rather dangerous mental minefield courtesy of Bolas.  Upper hand currently going to Team Tezziana.

Ajani and Koth go at it gladiator-style for days.  Gideon officiates. Neither is willing to admit defeat and both are a scant few seconds from just collapsing in each other’s arms in the manliest of bro-hug power naps.  Gideon wanders off to find Chandra because this is turning into a sausage fest.

Nissa convinces both Chandra and Elspeth to go with her in a Charlie's Angels style beat down on Sorin.  Sorin, for his part, is perplexed as ****, but lays down the pain with the best of them.  While the girls have the numbers advantage, Sorin has been doing this sort of thing for eons.  Toying with a trio of impulsive, angry ladies with emotional issues seems like a solid way to spend an afternoon.  During the fight Sorin manages to confront each girl with their inner-most fears of inadequacy.  After a major breakthrough, they decided to stop fighting, and all go out for karaoke instead.  Sorin pays.

Nicol Bolas spends the day gnawing on Karn.  Karn spends the day not caring.  In the end, Sarkhan is all "Hey, are you two done yet?" and both of them are all "Nah, we cool."  And then they both spend some time talking about grand plans that they were part of that ended in catastrophic failure.  Bolas muses about how Karn manages to fit all those powerful artifacts and parts of other planeswalkers inside himself.  Karn reveals to Bolas that he is a Time Lord.

Rakka Mar is a Walker from Alara Unbroken. She was Bolas' servant who fought along side Sarhkan before he met Bolas himself.
I'm still of the opinion that Tibalt will get snatched up by Bolas.
Tamiyo's on the sideline chronicling the battle.

Personally, I think Tibalt will remind Elspeth of the Phyrexians and she'll go to town on him.
I'd even speculate Lil, Jace & Garruk team up on Tezz & Baltrice for the " Greater Good" the Garruk turns on Lili after. (He did start their fight)

Jul 6, 2012 -- 7:47AM, MasterGing wrote:

Rakka Mar is a Walker from Alara Unbroken. She was Bolas' servant who fought along side Sarhkan before he met Bolas himself. I'm still of the opinion that Tibalt will get snatched up by Bolas. Tamiyo's on the sideline chronicling the battle. Personally, I think Tibalt will remind Elspeth of the Phyrexians and she'll go to town on him. I'd even speculate Lil, Jace & Garruk team up on Tezz & Baltrice for the " Greater Good" the Garruk turns on Lili after. (He did start their fight)

She wasn't a walker. Hence the reason why Rakka Mar is a creature card.
She received Elder Mastery for following the dragon and then Ajani Lightning Helix ed her.

@Azure: That was all just.... just terrible.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 9:36AM, Barinellos wrote:

@Azure: That was all just.... just terrible.

I know.  I should feel sorry or ashamed or....something, but I don't.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 7:29AM, AzureShade wrote:

Garruk trying to rip Lilly to shreds while she tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.

Yes, Garruk gets very mad when Liliana tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 10:32AM, TheMOTI wrote:

Jul 6, 2012 -- 7:29AM, AzureShade wrote:

Garruk trying to rip Lilly to shreds while she tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.

Yes, Garruk gets very mad when Liliana tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.

It's clearly because he secretly loves her but can only show his feelings through murderous rage.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 11:15AM, AzureShade wrote:

Jul 6, 2012 -- 10:32AM, TheMOTI wrote:

Jul 6, 2012 -- 7:29AM, AzureShade wrote:

Garruk trying to rip Lilly to shreds while she tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.

Yes, Garruk gets very mad when Liliana tries to appeal to Jace's feelings for her.

It's clearly because he secretly loves her but can only show his feelings through murderous rage.

Uh uh... HELL NO. That beach can get it on with Jace or whoever her tacky words may get her with, but not mah bb Garruk.

POP OFF DEATH MAGE. POP OFF.

/troll

Ok. Here's my real question. Whose gonna take out Bolas. Odds are even with everone's combined forces, they won't kill him.

How's this Jace telepathically tells Tamiyo of Tezz's Manablade left on Kamigawa. She retreives it. Koth retreives Venser's corpse, which Lili reanimates. Undead Venser pulls a Nightcrawler style attack with the manablade. Then Karn sacrifices Mirrodin by drawing all its mana into himself, and right after everyone else runs like hell from holy water, goes Supernova right in ol' Niky's face.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 5:53PM, MasterGing wrote:

Ok. Here's my real question. Whose gonna take out Bolas. Odds are even with everone's combined forces, they won't kill him. How's this Jace telepathically tells Tamiyo of Tezz's Manablade left on Kamigawa. She retreives it. Koth retreives Venser's corpse, which Lili reanimates. Undead Venser pulls a Nightcrawler style attack with the manablade. Then Karn sacrifices Mirrodin by drawing all its mana into himself, and right after everyone else runs like hell from holy water, goes Supernova right in ol' Niky's face.

It's definitely going to be a team effort since neowalkers have been nerfed. I remember Skibo reminding me that Ajani was able to temporarily beat Bolas because he was backed by the power of the Conflux (please feel free to correct).

You bringing up Karn... it actually won't be that farfetched, I mean they would be hitting 2 birds with one stone if ever. But isn't Karn busy with other things tho? :/

Your right about Ajani and the Conflux Maelstrom.

Karn is currently hulking out on the Phyrexian infestation of Mirrodin, but in this instance... Let's just say her realized Tezz was associating with the Phyrexians and traced him back to Bolas.

Karn finally says, "You know what...**** it. Urza made me go blow **** up. Bolas!!! Tag....your it!"

Jul 6, 2012 -- 5:53PM, MasterGing wrote:

Ok. Here's my real question. Whose gonna take out Bolas. Odds are even with everone's combined forces, they won't kill him. How's this Jace telepathically tells Tamiyo of Tezz's Manablade left on Kamigawa. She retreives it. Koth retreives Venser's corpse, which Lili reanimates. Undead Venser pulls a Nightcrawler style attack with the manablade. Then Karn sacrifices Mirrodin by drawing all its mana into himself, and right after everyone else runs like hell from holy water, goes Supernova right in ol' Niky's face.

Skibo will insist it will be Jace with very little to back that up other than MaRo likes the Heroes Journey and since Jace is the icon of Magic that must mean he's on the Hero's Journey... DESPITE the fact that nothing about his story coincides with it.
Jace is not the Hero.

Venser is almost dead certainly going to stay a rotting withered piece of crap magic rock. I think you also overestimate Liliana's skills. She can animate the dead. She can't make them act like they did in life. They're meat puppets, not beings.

Jace still has the Manablade btw. Even then... it's a dragon. A knife will do little.
Karn also no longer has the ability to sacrifice Mirrodin. The power that it took to create is what it would take to destroy.
Aside from all that, they won't cross the Phyrexian and Bolas streams.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 6:44PM, MasterGing wrote:

You're right about Ajani and the Conflux Maelstrom. Karn is currently hulking out on the Phyrexian infestation of Mirrodin, but in this instance... Let's just say her realized Tezz was associating with the Phyrexians and traced him back to Bolas. Karn finally says, "You know what...**** it. Urza made me go blow **** up. Bolas!!! Tag....your it!"

Tezz isn't the problem, the Phyrexians are. That would be like attacking the fly that is buzzing around the bloodthirsty lion.
If he knew Tezz was told to keep them destabilized, he might LOOK for Bolas to help.

My theories for Bolasdeath (likely not impending at all)
1) Impaled on the bowsprit of a Skyship
2) Tries to mess with the Eldrazi and gets unmade by his own scheming
3) Arrow through the eye, fired by a nonwalker notable.
4) Beatdown conga that sees massive forces arrayed against him all get their hits in.  For instance "Liliana lures him to plane X, Gideon binds his winds so he falls, Chandra and Koth tag-team him with magical attacks, and Elspeth rides in for the kill in melee"

I'm leaning towards Jace killing him in some contrive manner (Something akin to spirit Bolas)

Unless Creative wusses out, in which case Jace will just weaken Bolas, and Tezzert will kill him.

Then again, my storyline predictions tend to suck.

Edit: Hmmm... Barinellos knows me too well. I stand by my prediction.

My prediction is that Bolas will be defeated by something or someone found within his vast past that he underestimated and believed he had killed but it came back with a vengeance, killing him without much effort at all.

This entity will probably become the new big bad. Something that can't be scoffed at and be akin to Doomsday/Apocalypse in demeanor and power level.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 10:13PM, StoicChampion wrote:

My prediction is that Bolas will be defeated by something or someone found within his vast past that he underestimated and believed he had killed but it came back with a vengeance, killing him without much effort at all.

This entity will probably become the new big bad. Something that can't be scoffed at and be akin to Doomsday/Apocalypse in demeanor and power level.

Doomsday and Apocalypse actually gets scoffed at regularly now. Like... a LOT.
What you probably want to shoot for is Darkseid. Maybe Thanos.
or Squirrel Girl.

You. DO NOT. F***. WITH SQUIRREL GIRL.

Jul 6, 2012 -- 6:44PM, MasterGing wrote:

Karn finally says, "You know what...**** it. Urza made me go blow **** up. Bolas!!! Tag....your it!"

I'm pretty sure the Null Moon orbital laser has had a sufficient amount of time to recharge. 

Pretty sure the Null Moon orbital mana battery has a big honking hole punched in it from when the Legacy Weapon flew right through the middle of the thing.

Also, Bolas can only be killed by a Hammer of Bogardan . Hey, it worked the last time, no?

In only slightly related news: Jace V Professor X. I know X is much more powerful and skilled, but his powers are based on some physical thing in his brain (I assume), meaning he has to get to the mind through the target's brain. Jace shouldn't have this problem. So does the difference matter? Or would it only matter with someone closer to Jace's power/skill level.

Actually ib AoA its depicted that Jace simply is a telepath. His ability is enhanced by mana and magic but its not a skill he "learned "
That said... I think its ans even match.

Not even close.

Maybe it would have been close before the films but as soon as Patrick Stewart was cast as Xavier then he became immortal and all powerful.

True fact. 

Given how composed Picard was and the fact that Patrick Stewart was a classically trained shakespearean actor, it is absolutely flooring to hear the crap he's willing to say.
Of course, there again, this is the guy who actively WANTS to be cast as Spider Jerusalem if they ever make a live action adaptation of Transmetropolitan so...

"I would have Jean braid your hair"

I mean come on, that was an amazing line 

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon seems like it could provide plenty of interesting stories for an ensemble cast while providing a nod to pre-Mending history.

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon seems like it could provide plenty of interesting stories for an ensemble cast while providing a nod to pre-Mending history.

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon is easy. See, watch, I'll do it right now.

Hey Karn! C'mere for a second!

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:50AM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon seems like it could provide plenty of interesting stories for an ensemble cast while providing a nod to pre-Mending history.

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon is easy. See, watch, I'll do it right now.

Hey Karn! C'mere for a second!

 Karn: what do you want? don't you see i'm trying to give enougth f*cks to save mirrodin or new phyrexia or whatever the hell the call it these days

Jul 16, 2012 -- 12:53PM, Blazer4500 wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:50AM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon seems like it could provide plenty of interesting stories for an ensemble cast while providing a nod to pre-Mending history.

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon is easy. See, watch, I'll do it right now.

Hey Karn! C'mere for a second!

 Karn: what do you want? don't you see i'm trying to give enougth f*cks to save mirrodin or new phyrexia or whatever the hell the call it these days

Too bad. I'm all out of ***** to give.

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:50AM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon seems like it could provide plenty of interesting stories for an ensemble cast while providing a nod to pre-Mending history.

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon is easy. See, watch, I'll do it right now.

Hey Karn! C'mere for a second!

Well, unless the Legacy Weapon is only good against Yawgmoth, I'm just going to go with "Karn Wins."

Except, was the entire Legacy weapon absorbed within Karn? Because I'm trying to imagine packing the Weatherlight in that frame. Sure, he looks like he might have gained a few pounds, but a ship?

Jul 17, 2012 -- 12:48PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:50AM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 16, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon seems like it could provide plenty of interesting stories for an ensemble cast while providing a nod to pre-Mending history.

Reassembling the Legacy Weapon is easy. See, watch, I'll do it right now.

Hey Karn! C'mere for a second!

Well, unless the Legacy Weapon is only good against Yawgmoth, I'm just going to go with "Karn Wins."

Except, was the entire Legacy weapon absorbed within Karn? Because I'm trying to imagine packing the Weatherlight in that frame. Sure, he looks like he might have gained a few pounds, but a ship?

Karn is a Time Lord.  He's a lot bigger on the inside. 

I mean really, there are like seventeen peices to the Legacy Weapon, some of which started out much bigger than Karn.

Weren't they absorbed magically? Like, their essence more than their physical parts?

Jul 5, 2012 -- 7:42PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Jul 5, 2012 -- 6:50PM, MasterGing wrote:

Good points. So who'd take out Sorin? I'd think only Bolas, Karn, or Jace would really have a chance.

Lysene could take him out with the power of their loooooove.

#Shippingcharacterswhodontexistbeyondtheirnames

Lysene? I think I'll ship Phenylalanine with Aspartic Acid. So sweet, even if they are fake.

As for me, I want to see Koth v. Tezzeret. The new Father of Machines against someone who can shatters those machines and zaps Tezz himself.

Jul 17, 2012 -- 1:39PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Weren't they absorbed magically? Like, their essence more than their physical parts?

No, I'm pretty sure all those parts are just "in him" somehow.

Karns chest cavity is like a backpack in D&D.  It can hold any amount of gear of any size and weight up to 1 metric plot requirement.

Jul 18, 2012 -- 7:55AM, Cogminded wrote:

Karns chest cavity is like a backpack in D&D.  It can hold any amount of gear of any size and weight up to 1 metric plot requirement.

He's actually filled with dwarves, because they can carry more.

Karn is a nesting doll.
YOU CAN'T UNSEE IT.

Clever paperweight 

Bolas
Tezzeret-Liliana-Sarkan
VS
Jace-Garruk-Chandra
Elsepeth-Koth-Gideon
Venser-Karn-Ajani

We want DD- Sarkhan VS Gideon.  

if (Legacy Weapon)
  victory=true;

Karn wins. 

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

if (Legacy Weapon)
  victory=true;

Karn wins. 

But when Karn wins, everybody loses.

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:34PM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

if (Legacy Weapon)
  victory=true;

Karn wins. 

But when Karn wins, everybody loses.

Maybe he will take another vow of pacifism?

Right now Karn not only is the most powerful weapon know to the the Multiverse, but he also is a master time traveler, now immune to Phyrexian Compleation, and has no mind to be mucked around with. Heck, in his current card form, he can't even be Shatter ed. Kind has everything going for him don't he?

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:44PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:34PM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

if (Legacy Weapon)
  victory=true;

Karn wins. 

But when Karn wins, everybody loses.

Maybe he will take another vow of pacifism?

Right now Karn not only is the most powerful weapon know to the the Multiverse, but he also is a master time traveler, now immune to Phyrexian Compleation, and has no mind to be mucked around with. Heck, in his current card form, he can't even be Shatter ed. Kind has everything going for him don't he?

How Bolas should defeat Karn: Sarkhan takes on dragon form and the combined power of two dragons fire melts him.  He is, at the end of the day, silver.

How Bolas probably would defeat Karn: Have already planned for this eventuality and used infiltrators within the Izzet league to develop magnetism and create a magnetic field at the location Bolas chooses to combat Karn.  Sufficient exposure to magnetic fields with magnetise even silver and thus will trap Karn there while some incomprehensibly complicated machine tears him apart for further study.

Jul 18, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Cogminded wrote:

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:44PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:34PM, Barinellos wrote:

Jul 18, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

if (Legacy Weapon)
  victory=true;

Karn wins. 

But when Karn wins, everybody loses.

Maybe he will take another vow of pacifism?

Right now Karn not only is the most powerful weapon know to the the Multiverse, but he also is a master time traveler, now immune to Phyrexian Compleation, and has no mind to be mucked around with. Heck, in his current card form, he can't even be Shatter ed. Kind has everything going for him don't he?

How Bolas should defeat Karn: Sarkhan takes on dragon form and the combined power of two dragons fire melts him.  He is, at the end of the day, silver.

How Bolas probably would defeat Karn: Have already planned for this eventuality and used infiltrators within the Izzet league to develop magnetism and create a magnetic field at the location Bolas chooses to combat Karn.  Sufficient exposure to magnetic fields with magnetise even silver and thus will trap Karn there while some incomprehensibly complicated machine tears him apart for further study.

Karn answers with giant laser.

Failing that, traveling back in time, lasering Bolas 10 seconds before they meet. 

I think Bolas would out think Karn in some way
I duel I would like to see would be Gideon vs Tibalt Gideon is like a man who upholds order, while Tibalt is you know.... A sadistic torturer/murderer.
Dosnt sound like Gideon would be to happy about that 
Aslo, in an non planswalker related duel, Emrakul vs Progenitus would be awesome 

Emakrul. Like a lot. Assuming Proginitus didn't actually create Alara, Emakrul would just grey dust it.