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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 2:52PM
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In the MTG Salvation Wiki, I found a table stating the primary and secondary colors of the 8 tribes. For example:
Goblins, or Boggarts, are Black primary, and Red secondary. In Shadowmoor, they became red and green.
Flamekin are Red primary and 5 color secondary. In Shadowmoor, they are Black and Red.
I already know ALL the color combinations of each tribe in Shadowmoor. I just don't know which one of the colors is primary and which one is secondary. MTGSalvation wiki's Shadowmoor page does not have a table telling us the color alignment of each tribe.
In Lorwyn,
Kithkin are primarily white Merfolk are primarily blue Goblins are primarily black Elementals are primarily red Elves are primarily green
I basically want to know the primary color of the kithkin, merfolk, goblins, elementals, and elves of shadowmoor. If so, what makes them that color?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 2:59PM
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Kithkin are White/Blue Merfolk are Blue/Black Goblins are Red/green Flamekin are black/red Elves are Green/white
The tribe's normal color is the primary color for it. except for flamekin who radically changed to become cinders.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 3:04PM
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Kithkin are White/Blue Merfolk are Blue/Black Goblins are Red/green Flamekin are black/red Elves are Green/white
The tribe's normal color is the primary color for it. except for flamekin who radically changed to become cinders.
So taking elves for example, which one is primary? Green or white? As I said before, in Lorwyn, Goblins are Primarily black, and secondarily red. I already know the color combinations of every shadowmoor tribe, but I don't know which color is primary and which one is secondary, or is there no primary and secondary colors, and that the Merfolk are equally Blue as they are Black?
Also what do you mean by normal color?
Kithkin are still white primary Merfolk are still blue primary Elves are still green primary
Are you saying that Goblins and Flamekin Cinders, traded primary colors?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 3:10PM
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There are 19 green elves, and 12 white elves, so elves are primarily green.
The idea of primary and secondary colors is a construct of design and development, not of creative.
From a flavor perspective, the merfolk are blue and black.
Edit:
The point of a primary color is so that each color has a tribe it can use. Because of the change from Flamekin to Cinders, they moved to black. This meant that black lost a primary race. To fix this, the Boggarts moved to focus more on red.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 3:23PM
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There are 19 green elves, and 12 white elves, so elves are primarily green.
The idea of primary and secondary colors is a construct of design and development, not of creative.
From a flavor perspective, the merfolk are blue and black.
Edit:
The point of a primary color is so that each color has a tribe it can use. Because of the change from Flamekin to Cinders, they moved to black. This meant that black lost a primary race. To fix this, the Boggarts moved to focus more on red.
So basically, Elementals and Goblins switched primary colors, and let's say if I were to play a tribal deck that focuses on black, I'd have to switch from goblins to elementals?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 5:09PM
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So basically, Elementals and Goblins switched primary colors, and let's say if I were to play a tribal deck that focuses on black, I'd have to switch from goblins to elementals?
Yes, or Merfolk.
Now from a storyline perspective the change of each race is rather interesting. The boggarts went from a race obessesed with sensation, to a race of mindless hunger, devouring everything. The kithkin went from a jolly, farmfolk, to a race of paranoid people who fortified themselves in.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 7:12PM
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So basically, Elementals and Goblins switched primary colors, and let's say if I were to play a tribal deck that focuses on black, I'd have to switch from goblins to elementals?
Yes, or Merfolk.
Now from a storyline perspective the change of each race is rather interesting. The boggarts went from a race obessesed with sensation, to a race of mindless hunger, devouring everything. The kithkin went from a jolly, farmfolk, to a race of paranoid people who fortified themselves in.
So do the color alignments really mean anything flavorwise? I don't see how the bad boy kithkin are white and blue if they are paranoid. In fact, what colors represent paranoia?
The lorwyn elves are narcissistic am I right? Hence they are Black, because it is all about them looking good at any cost, and green, because they are elves? What about the Shadowmoor elves? How did the black become white?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 8:04PM
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The lorwyn elves are narcissistic am I right? Hence they are Black, because it is all about them looking good at any cost, and green, because they are elves? What about the Shadowmoor elves? How did the black become white?
The Lorwyn elves thought that beauty was strenght, and that the strong had the right to exert authority over all other living things. They were narcasists obsessed with maintaining appearance and authority. Hense;  
The Shadowmoor elves were similarly obsessed with the concept of beauty, but Shadowmoor, unlike Lorwyn, was an ugly world full of sociopaths. They were the only "good guys" in the world.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 8:23PM
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So do the color alignments really mean anything flavorwise? I don't see how the bad boy kithkin are white and blue if they are paranoid. In fact, what colors represent paranoia?
Well this goes into the thoughtweft, the mystical phychic bond that connects all the Kithkin together. And it also deals with Shadowmoor where almost everything is trying to kill you. So for the kithkin, any stranger is a threat, any oddity is a trap. Paranoia is a natural byproduct of this.
As for why this is blue, it shows that the Kithkin are drawing away from green (their origal secondary color) they are less about community, and more about fear. They isoalte themselves from the rest of the world.
I think blue tends to be associated with paranoia because blue is the color of grand schemes. There's an idea that a theif worries about people stealing from him. Well imagine how it must be to be a mastermind? To see everything as part of a grand scheme against you. To constantly have to look around to make sure you aren't walking into an elaborate trap. Blue seems the most vunerable to paranoia because it is just an extension of blue's want to know everything. TO be more exact, it plays on blue's fears that it doesn't know everything.
The lorwyn elves are narcissistic am I right? Hence they are Black, because it is all about them looking good at any cost, and green, because they are elves? What about the Shadowmoor elves? How did the black become white?
The Lorwyn elves belive in survival of the fittest. "Fittest" for them includes physical apperance. This isn't all that different then what happens in nature. Often times the males with the best displays get the females (For example, the elk with the biggest horns might attract a mate while the one without antlers might not). Lorwyn elves just take this idea to an extreme by killing off those that don't conform (which again, does happen in nature).
The Lorwyn elves could have been black or green,
… and then, the squirrels came.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 05, 2012 - 1:15AM
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I think elf colours are screwed up, though. Lorwyn elves make more sense as  /  .
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