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Jul 13, 2012 -- 4:54PM, Wynzerman wrote:

Jul 13, 2012 -- 6:56AM, Jman22 wrote:

Jul 12, 2012 -- 2:42PM, zpikduM wrote:

Jul 12, 2012 -- 8:07AM, Jman22 wrote:

Wizards hates Dredge, a lot. I feel like the only reason it isn't banned in legacy (like it is in Modern) is because it has been unbanned for so long the backlash would be  way too rough on their PR.

Nah, the lack of Bazaar makes it less explosive, so Legacy can actually deal with Dredge.

Just because Legacy can handle it by having enough GY hate in sideboards doesn't mean Wizards wouldn't blink twice about banning dredge out of Legacy if they knew they could get away with it.

I'm sure they'll meet to discuss that after the yearly mustache twirlling jambaree, and the baby eating festival. Can't be up to no-good if you don't have two or three infants to warm your belly.

For the serious though,  they will ban it if it ruins the format with dominance- but they are more likely to take something off of the list than add more crap to it.

I understand there. The other day I was stealing robbing an old woman, and I just couldn't get into it because I'd only eaten a baby and a half for breakfast.
And Modern provides a perfect example of how to get rid of Dredge: Golgari Grave-Troll, Dread Return and Bridge From Below.  Sure, that's three cards, but they're the only cards that really create a problem.

Jul 15, 2012 -- 12:58AM, Wynzerman wrote:

Jul 14, 2012 -- 7:22PM, Jman22 wrote:

Jul 13, 2012 -- 4:54PM, Wynzerman wrote:

Jul 13, 2012 -- 6:56AM, Jman22 wrote:

Jul 12, 2012 -- 2:42PM, zpikduM wrote:

Jul 12, 2012 -- 8:07AM, Jman22 wrote:

Wizards hates Dredge, a lot. I feel like the only reason it isn't banned in legacy (like it is in Modern) is because it has been unbanned for so long the backlash would be  way too rough on their PR.

Nah, the lack of Bazaar makes it less explosive, so Legacy can actually deal with Dredge.

Just because Legacy can handle it by having enough GY hate in sideboards doesn't mean Wizards wouldn't blink twice about banning dredge out of Legacy if they knew they could get away with it.

I'm sure they'll meet to discuss that after the yearly mustache twirlling jambaree, and the baby eating festival. Can't be up to no-good if you don't have two or three infants to warm your belly.

For the serious though,  they will ban it if it ruins the format with dominance- but they are more likely to take something off of the list than add more crap to it.

I understand there. The other day I was stealing robbing an old woman, and I just couldn't get into it because I'd only eaten a baby and a half for breakfast.
And Modern provides a perfect example of how to get rid of Dredge: Golgari Grave-Troll, Dread Return and Bridge From Below.  Sure, that's three cards, but they're the only cards that really create a problem.

The thing about that deck in particular is that Dredge itself (the mechanic from Ravnica) was never all that offensive, it was simply a self-mill mechanic and with cards like the Grave Troll and Dread Return it isn't all that bad. With cards like Narcomoeba , Bazaar of Baghdad , Bridge from Below and Cabal Therapy though it gets nastier than it was intended to be. Honestly, I wouldn't mind them taking Dread Return or Grave-Troll off of the Banlist to test the waters, it might actually make Modern interesting.

There's enough combo in Modern for my liking, thank you. You might have never guessed from how I complain about creature decks, but one of my favorite decks of all time is the Greater Good deck from Rav-Kami standard. 

so I came here looking for info on Thundermaw, and all I got is a nerd war about combo decks... What does a beefy creature like Thundermaw have to do with combo...

Jul 5, 2012 -- 4:14PM, Wynzerman wrote:

Thundermaw Hellkite costs 5 because he's exciting at 5, he's another exciting twist on Flametongue Kavu that opts for a bigger, flying body (a 'la dragon flavored), but a generally weaker ETB, accept than in a metagame full of angels and spirits, it's easily more backbreaking than the Kavu. It probably would have costed 6 a few years ago, but there's been a real effort on WotC's part to (outside of limited fodder) make 6, 7 and 8 drops feel like they are worth that amass of mana (doing exponential work as compared to their cheaper counterparts). There was actually a time when a mana cost of 5 nearly made a card unplayable and 6 or 7 was practically a death sentence- a time where much of R&D were competitive players.

That's the best way to explain it that I can think of.

if R&D were competitive players back then, why would they make cards that are useless in a competitive environment? I was under the strong impression Wotc was actually more competitive-savvy now. (hence also things like Event Decks)