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Jul 6, 2012 -- 2:18AM, zammm wrote:

Jul 5, 2012 -- 8:29PM, Qilong wrote:

Despite the lack of interaction, cards like War's Toll and Braid of Fire lost their interaction with mana burn[...]

Huh? War's Toll never had any interaction with mana burn...

In the old days, I could use the enchantment to force an opponent to potentially over-commit on his/her mana. That individual would have to use his mana up all in one go, or be forced to lose it for a turn; no floating. This caused tension as a manner of mana burn to be safe or let them get tapped and not do anything. It was largely a way to also fight control decks. I am not saying it is a classic mana burn card like Cathodion (dying at an inoportune time caused it's controller 3 damage), potentially also Priest of Grix and even Dark Ritual for when you couldn't use the mana all up. Lands that tapped for excess mana had the same effect, but of course the most specific card hurt was Citadel of Pain (and arguably, Braid of Fire , now with no drawback!) -- which depended on the cost of either mana burn, or take direct pain from the Citadel (which could be manipulated).

Jul 9, 2012 -- 5:31PM, OmegaM wrote:

I see that Oversold Cemetery and Pit Keeper both use the phrase "if you have four or more creature cards in your graveyard", but that Gorilla Titan  uses "as long as there are no cards in your graveyard" and Immortal Coil  uses "when there are no cards in your graveyard". Should all four of these cards use "you have" or "there are"? (I don't know which would be more consistent with everything else.)

Triggered vs. static abilities.

"As long as" sets up a continuous effect, while "if you have" sets up an intervening clause that requires a check to be made.

Jul 9, 2012 -- 7:45PM, PirateAmmo wrote:

OmegaM is suggesting that Oversold Cemetery and Pit Keeper should say "if there are four or more creature cards in your graveyard," which would work fine.

Well, there are a lot of language issues with cards, but I see what he means, and I'd agree with that. I'd love it if all of the cards were worded in such a fashion as to indicate "putting" a card from one zone to another, regardless of from which to which it moves. This means no "return" on Boomerang or Disentomb , as the cards may never have been in hand to begin with.

Jul 11, 2012 -- 9:51PM, DacenOctavio wrote:

How does Pain's Reward interact with Platinum Emperion? And what if two players each control a Platinum Emperion as Pain's Reward resolves? Does "bidding" life count as "paying" life? And does the answer to my second question involve an infinite loop that results in a draw?

You can't pay life, including bidding it, as long as you control a Platinum Emperion . This means if the cost of an ability or spell required you to pay or lose life, you can't do it, and thus the spell or ability cannot be cast/activated. No Greed activations, and no Withering Boon .

Jul 12, 2012 -- 7:51AM, adeyke wrote:

Jul 12, 2012 -- 6:35AM, Qilong wrote:

Jul 11, 2012 -- 9:51PM, DacenOctavio wrote:

How does Pain's Reward interact with Platinum Emperion? And what if two players each control a Platinum Emperion as Pain's Reward resolves? Does "bidding" life count as "paying" life? And does the answer to my second question involve an infinite loop that results in a draw?

You can't pay life, including bidding it, as long as you control a Platinum Emperion . This means if the cost of an ability or spell required you to pay or lose life, you can't do it, and thus the spell or ability cannot be cast/activated. No Greed activations, and no Withering Boon .

This is wrong.  You can still bid life even when you control Platinum Emperion , and if you win the bid, the Emperion stops you from actually losing the life.  See this thread.

I should clarify that I only intended to indicate that the LOSS of life from bidding is stopped. I DO understand that you can pretend that you are "bidding" (and thus chuck a bid value upward) but it simply does nothing as long as you control an Emperion.