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Jul 6, 2012 -- 1:25AM, catowner wrote:

1:  If it's running dorks, it's a bad WRR list.
2:  I think that some of your testing may have been skewed by the fact that it was against bad players and decks. 

1) I count Sad Robot as a dork, since it fills a similar role (small body+ramp). Several recent lists run 4 Bops, and even Kibler and da Rosa were running miser Bops.

2) That's always possible and even probable when your opponents are bad enough to play cards like Cockatrice . However, I'm still beating the same line of plays as T8 decks (Turn 1 Champion into turn 2 Gather, turn 4 Hero, turn 5 P. Titan, etc.). 

My friend wants a 17th land (Razorverge Thicket) over a Visions of Beyond. I at the very least agree that we need a second white source, since we occasionally sit on 7 lands with Elesh in hand. Any thoughts?