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12 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2012 - 2:46PM
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Date Joined:
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2012 - 10:33PM
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Date Joined:
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I had always loved Oubliette because it both had great flavor and great game play.
I always loved Oubliette because it used the word "hence".
I remember back when Clone  was technically illegal, there was fair confusion about what exactly it did. Did it copy counters? Enchantments? What about temporary effects like Giant Growth? If you interpret the card as "copy what's on the table" and not "summon another of what's on the table", those are perfectly rational leaps to make. Of course, rule clarification was much harder back then too. At the Tempest prerelease I attended, Verdant Force  was ruled to give its upkeep counters to whoever's upkeep triggered it. Within 2 weeks the ruling was "no, it's a typo of the Impulse  magnitude. They meant just on your upkeep." It was another few weeks before the "Owner's token, every turn" ruling finally propagated and took effect. edit: (Just realized my autocard shows the box set Impulse and not the Visions one. The original printing said "Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. Shuffle your library."[/c].
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11 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2012 - 10:56PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 19, 2009
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The positive/negative aspect of the Saga/Legacy Rancor cycle is actually BS. The common green entry in Saga was actually Fortitude, not Spreading Algae. Fortitude was positive ("Sac a forest: Regenerate enchanted creature"). Spreading Algae was uncommon and part of a ten-card uncommon hoser cycle (the others being Carpet of Flowers, Douse, Hibernation, Absolute Law, Absolute Grace, Yawgmoth's Edict, Bereavement, Scald, Disorder).
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11 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2012 - 11:10PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 20, 2004
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When mana can't solve power issues, your mechanic has a huge problem.
I have 1 word for you: Cascade  .
Do you guys ever actually *learn* your lessons, or just pretend to so that we think you're actually being productive?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2012 - 12:29AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 27, 2006
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Would love to hear the reason as to why Birds of Paradise and Llanowar Elves got the chop in the same set rather than the history lesson behind Rancor.
Have to say that I'm also a little disapointed that Timely Reinforcements wasn't given another year in the core as well...
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11 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2012 - 12:35AM
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Date Joined:
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Would love to hear the reason as to why Birds of Paradise and Llanowar Elves got the chop in the same set rather than the history lesson behind Rancor.
Rampantly cynical speculation:
"You may have noticed that creatures have gotten better over the past few years. We've come to realize that cheap mana-dorks like Llany and birds makes those better creatures happen too early." - or something strongly similar.
Don't be surprised if a green Sisters of the Flame  pops up sometime soon.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2012 - 12:36AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 20, 2011
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@Ertai,
Or phyrexian mana offcourse. Free spells are broken, lets try them out over and over again =P
About birds:
Birds of Paradise has a Ravnica on it, so I am pretty sure they are just re-using the old trick again (it will be in Return to Ravnica).
Llanowar Elves got switched for Arbor Elf, probably because of the shock duals (again, in return to ravnica)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2012 - 12:47AM
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When mana can't solve power issues, your mechanic has a huge problem.
I have 1 word for you: Cascade .
Do you guys ever actually *learn* your lessons, or just pretend to so that we think you're actually being productive?
No, it seems like every few years they go,
"Not paying mana for spells with the Moxes was really broken."
"Know what's a great idea, FREE SPELLS  !"
"Hmm, ok, maybe that was broken too."
"I know, we'll make tons of copies of the spell  ."
"Well, Storm turned out to be about the most broken mechanic ever."
"Hey, know what might work? Giving people a free spell that costs less mana ."
"Hmm, this still seems broken."
"I know, we'll make them pay life instead  ."
"Hmm, broken and now everyone gets to play removal!"
"[Next iteration of free spells goes here]"
"Wait, still broken."
The end is always nigh.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2012 - 1:27AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2007
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Of course they're always going to try and give us things without paying mana because we like them! We would probably complain if this turned into wow tcg with hardly any mana ramp, reanimation etc. Not all ways of getting things for free are broken (see Dramatic Entrance  , Rise from the Grave  etc). Bloodbraid was a powerful card because it was deliberately pushed, not because there was anything inherently wrong with cascade (apart from the Hypergenesis  interaction which is because of the rules of the game). If bloodbraid was a 2/2 instead of 3/2 it wouldn't be nearly so popular. (While Captured Sunlight  was played in an interesting deck for a little while, it didn't exactly rip the meta apart). And even dismember has fallen out of popularity recently proving that the problem with it is not so much raw power level as that it ruins the color pie.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2012 - 3:11AM
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Murder  - Destroy target creature. Craterize  - Destroy target land. Smelt  - Destroy target artifact. Demystify  -Destroy target echantment. Erase  - Exile target enchantment. Why not go for that most elegant of cycles?
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