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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 1:55PM
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@andoru: If it's a regular group, why not just rotate who buys the packs each time you do a draft? Then everyone knows who get the cards every time and you don't have the hassle of "undoing" the draft.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 2:03PM
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From my experience, in rare redraft, if you don't place 3-1 or better, you don't get anything good. Went 2-2 in a 16 man draft and I walked away with Wolfir Silverheart  and some 50 cent rares.
Didnt you split into 2 pods of 8?
~ Tim
Yeah, but all the rares from both pods were grouped together at the end.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 2:18PM
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This sort of thing creates elitism that punishes new or poorer players. That doesn't strike me as conducive to a great local community.
ALL contests punish people that are new or not as good. All. Of. Them.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 2:29PM
#44
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This sort of thing creates elitism that punishes new or poorer players. That doesn't strike me as conducive to a great local community.
ALL contests punish people that are new or not as good. All. Of. Them.
Some do so more than others.
If you draft without redrafting, the only punishment for losing is... well, losing. If you redraft the punishment increases to "Yeah, and that cool thing you pulled? You don't get to keep it."
The redraft may be a useful tool for competitive environments to hone ever more advanced drafting skills, but it creates, in my opinion, an unnecessarily high barrier for entry.
At the end of three rounds of swiss, I tend to end up somewhere around 2-1. I'm an upper-middle half kind of drafter, depending somewhat on how well I understand the format (I took first for the FNM card four weeks in a row during Morningtide's run). My GF is more of a 1-2 sort of drafter (though, once it gets to actual games, possibly a better player than me)
In a redraft situation (Which, thank our lucky stars, is not how the local shop plays it), I'd be at par to losing and she;d be losing badly. I'd never convince her to go to a draft like that, and you know what? I'd have a lot less incentive to try.
Because personally, I see an FNM draft as an alternative to just cracking three packs. I get about three packs worth of goodies, and an evening worth of entertainment. I'm never going anywhere on the competitive Magic scene and frankly, I don't want to either.
So for me, redrafting would just be a slap in the face. I can see why some people like to engage in it, but I never would.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 2:40PM
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If you draft without redrafting, the only punishment for losing is... well, losing. If you redraft the punishment increases to "Yeah, and that cool thing you pulled? You don't get to keep it."
Redrafting is only a punishment if you for some strange reason expected to keep those cards. If someone did not tell you ahead of time that rares would be redrafted than you have reason to be upset.
I'll take a $10 draft with a redraft over a $15 draft with boosters as prizes. And that's something people are over looking: Either way the players who don't do well are contributing to the winner's prizes.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 2:50PM
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From my experience, in rare redraft, if you don't place 3-1 or better, you don't get anything good. Went 2-2 in a 16 man draft and I walked away with Wolfir Silverheart and some 50 cent rares.
Didnt you split into 2 pods of 8?
~ Tim
Yeah, but all the rares from both pods were grouped together at the end.
Thats where you went wrong then. 
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 3:00PM
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Redrafting is only a punishment if you for some strange reason expected to keep those cards. If someone did not tell you ahead of time that rares would be redrafted than you have reason to be upset.
I'll take a $10 draft with a redraft over a $15 draft with boosters as prizes. And that's something people are over looking: Either way the players who don't do well are contributing to the winner's prizes.
A point could be made that the timing makes a rare redraft feel more like punishment.
Suppose that there there was a $10 tournament and, at the end of it, everyone who didn't win had to pay $5, which would then go to prizes for the winners. This would probably feel a lot more punishing than a normal $15 draft.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 3:39PM
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You own a Card if you pick it in draft. Chances are most players will choose not to participate if they got a Rare they really want to keep. This destroys the purpose.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 3:42PM
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You own a Card if you pick it in draft.
Usually, but a rare in a draft with redrafted prizes is a different story. If you don't want to redraft, don't enter the draft with redrafting in the first place. Problem solved.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 27, 2012 - 4:47PM
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This sort of thing creates elitism that punishes new or poorer players. That doesn't strike me as conducive to a great local community.
ALL contests punish people that are new or not as good. All. Of. Them.
Self-esteem focus. It means that everybody gets a trophy, making trophies meaningless.
If you meant "poor" as in "low-income", constructed formats will by definition punish poor players.
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