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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 11:41AM
#471
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I don't see any other explanation for what he's doing here, though. FOR JUSTICE! is just so contrived, especially when the story itself mentions that seeing an entire world being devoured is WAY worse than what the people in District Nine are going through.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 1:32PM
#472
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Is it that contrived, though? I'm sure Gideon wants to find a way to help, and he might even have the means: the Order of Heliud seems to be a trans-planar orginization, and are there really enough Planeswalkers for that to happen without some means to let normals cross the boundry? Human brains are funny things. "One is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" is a true enough fact. We can't identify with large numbers, it all just turns into a faceless mess. "Out of sight, out of mind" is also true, however much one fights to avert it. But ultimatley, Gideon is not The Unfettered. When he sees people in pain and need, that are real to him RIGHT NOW, and that he can possibly help RIGHT NOW, the devastation of Zendikar at the hands of an otherworldly foe is going to feel less important and be less emotionally relevant, no matter how clearly he knows in his head that it's the more important fight. And thus, fighting the Eldrazi takes a back seat, because Gideon is human, possessed of normal emotions and driven to do what feels right. I can't help but feel that Chandra would be just a little proud of that, if not the effect of it (Getting sidetracked from saving a world).
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 1:53PM
#473
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A thread derailed, and its all my fault.
Weeeeeheeeeee
Whose to say that the Drake and Ceratok aren't Simic experiments that escape/were released years ago and went native?
Don't get above your station, I still did the work damn you!
And they'd have to have been released AAAAAAAGES ago... in which case, can you really call them Simic anymore?
On topic, it seems like Gideon's plan here is to use a big bunch of Boros soldiers to fight the Eldrazi, once he's helped Aurelia clean up Ravnica. But... how the hell does he plan to get a battalion from Ravnica to Zendikar?
Can't... I thought we went over this? Walkers can't maintain summon spells like that long enough for any prolonged campaign. There's a reason why in most of the fiction the walkers do their own fighting with spell rather than summoning. Hell, only one summon happens in the entirety of The Secretist.
Regarding the drake, I imagine on Ravnica you don't need to actually fly to have the affeact of flying. The drake probably spies out some shortcuts for you creatures to avoid your opponents, and then telepathys them to you. And then, in order to see them and block, your oppnent's creatures need flying too. The Ceratok probably just says "Quick, get on my back", and everyone does it, because if a giant telepathic rinocerous tells you to do something, you do it.
That's certainly an interesting take on it, and not a bad one at that.
of course the thought of a psychic rhino just makes me want to Donkey Kong Country again.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 2:07PM
#474
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I'm sure Gideon wants to find a way to help, and he might even have the means: the Order of Heliud seems to be a trans-planar orginization, and are there really enough Planeswalkers for that to happen without some means to let normals cross the boundry?
A point of interest:
While Tezzeret was in charge of the Consortium, he boasted that it had more Planeswalkers in its employ than any other multiplanar organization he had ever heard of.
You know how many Planeswalkers they employed?
5.
With an extra 3 for purely commission work for a grand total of 8.
8 post-mending walkers versus the entirety of the Eldrazi menace. I don't much care for those odds.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 3:40PM
#475
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@Barinellos:
Yeah, that's why I asked, actually. If this is his plan, it doesn't seem like one that's really practical in any way, considering the limitations of summoning.
@Szat:
Ok, I think I might have to concede to you. If anyone gets story structure, you do, and I can't deny that what you're saying about the human mind is true.
Although, by the same token, this feels to me like a distraction, even if it might be explained as realistic according to psychology. Any thoughts on why there's a disconnect there? I mean, I suspect I'm not the only person who finds this to be a bit weird.
@Thoctar:
You know, that also sort of raises the question of how many other interplanar organizations Tezzeret knew about... and how many of them were operating on Ravnica in some capacity.
Man, AoA is such an intriguing book in so many ways.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 4:09PM
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Just a thought.
Gideon came to Ravnica looking for planeswalkers.
We know that Neo-Walkers cannot automatically sense if someone else is one. For example Jace comes across Ral in The Secretist and doesn't figure out he's another neo-walker.
Aurelia is practically throwing an entire legion of soldiers at Gideon for him to use to clean up the ninth.
If Gideon does get the Ninth under control it wouldn't be that difficult to ask some of the civilians "Hey have their been any other people who just showed up out of nowhere wearing seriously weird cloths? Can you tell me where you last saw them?"
Maybe Gideon is just using this as an oppurtunity to both help the people of Ravnica and getting himself into a better position to find other walkers.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 4:16PM
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I always figured Gideon would go all "Avengers Assemble" on Emmy, but I'm really not sure how feasible it would be to gather a sufficiently large number of Planeswalkers to stand a chance against the Eldrazi. But seriously, recruiting those people over the course of several years' worth of blocks, would be epic. And I don't use the word epic lightly I always kind of hoped Heliud would rise up to become one of Magic's great villains. There's so so so so many things you can do with a decidedly evil knight templar organization. It writes itself! But alas... Edit: This single post was easily worth the 30 minutes it took to make.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 4:22PM
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Just a thought.
Gideon came to Ravnica looking for planeswalkers.
We know that Neo-Walkers cannot automatically sense if someone else is one. For example Jace comes across Ral in The Secretist and doesn't figure out he's another neo-walker.
Aurelia is practically throwing an entire legion of soldiers at Gideon for him to use to clean up the ninth.
If Gideon does get the Ninth under control it wouldn't be that difficult to ask some of the civilians "Hey have their been any other people who just showed up out of nowhere wearing seriously weird cloths? Can you tell me where you last saw them?"
Maybe Gideon is just using this as an oppurtunity to both help the people of Ravnica and getting himself into a better position to find other walkers.
This is... actually a very interesting possibility. 0_o
Welcome to the forums Jaeger. I like the cut of your jib.
@Thoctar:
My stupid forum skin is one of the ones that screws up autocards, so I can't even see it properly D:
Nice work anyway though. I love that we are figuring out all these clever ways to mess with the forum's functionality.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 4:25PM
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It was this.Your we isn't doing anything for me, either. Edit: That came out wrong...
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4 months ago ::
Feb 06, 2013 - 6:08PM
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This is... actually a very interesting possibility. 0_o
Welcome to the forums Jaeger. I like the cut of your jib.
Of course they based the look of the guildless on both Liliana and Jace soooooo I'm not sure that's a viable option.
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