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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 6:19PM
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Say a mono-  cleric gets bit by a vampire and becomes one. Previous to this he was philosophically and used exclusively magic. Now he's a vampire who's in philosophy and magic. So is he now  because he's physically a vampire? Alternately: Some telepath gets annoyed with a vedalkin and moves its mind into a dragon. Is it now a   dragon?
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 6:24PM
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Color can denote many things in magic. It all comes down to how you want to define a person's color.
Normally this doesn't matter since creative flavors the cards they are given, and in the story no one says "what color are you?"
I think a good example to look at is Garruk. he's cursed, so now he has a splash of black in his mana cost. But he doesn't have a black personality. THe black is a represenation of his curse. Vampirism is a curse so you could apply that to the vamipre cleric.
I'm not a fan of "All Vedalken are blue" philosphy that the very act of being a race makes you a certain color. So i think a Vedalken with a dragon mind would be mono-red.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 6:38PM
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To be fair, when the curse acts up, it does exaggerate the blacker parts of his personality, but at his core he's still mono-green.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 7:50PM
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What incarnation of vampire are we talking about?
Because, for... you know what? No, if you are a vampire, you are going to run towards black.
Do not pass go, do not play the "repentent vampire" card. You will nom the hell out of whatever passes by you.
Innistradi Vampires are out of control when they first turn, and even then, it isn't something that happens immediately, they have to GIVE IN to temptation first. Even before then, they will have extremely sexual and perverse dreams (in this situation "perverse" is not related to sexual) and if they don't act upon those impulses, they die. Simple and clean. This is before they're even vampires no less! They have to seek out the vamp that bit them to finish the job.
Sengir vampires, on the other hand, have their souls destroyed by the process by which they turn. There's nothing left of their former self.
Zendikari vampires could, in theory, be white black because they were clerics, but they have a serious streak of decadence at odds with the philosophies of white.
But it all boils down to "You are not who you were, no matter how hard you try otherwise."
For the VedragonTM I would feel we would be looking at a mono-blue dragon.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 8:14PM
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Alright, I think I've reached a satisfactory conclusion. Case-by-case basis.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 8:51PM
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Yes, there could be white  vampires  , or b  lue  , or even green, but I don't think you could make a non-red, or non-black vampire without basically destroying the entire purpose of making them vampires in the first place. Vampires are parasitic creatures of repressed urges, even if they fight these urges or have other significant aspects to their character, those qualities are still present.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 8:57PM
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Yes, there could be white vampires , or b lue , or even green, but I don't think you could make a non-red, or non-black vampire without basically destroying the entire purpose of making them vampires in the first place.
Vampires are parasitic creatures of repressed urges, even if they fight these urges or have other significant aspects to their character, those qualities are still present.
The same could have been said of the Phyrexians, yet they made non-black, non-red Phyrexians that don't feel out of place. I would love it if Creative took more risks in making creatures not of the usual colors.
I wouldn't do an entire race of mono-white vampires, but an idividual might be cool.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 9:02PM
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I would love it if Creative took more risks in making creatures not of the usual colors.
So what? Red Vamps don't count?
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 9:18PM
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I would love it if Creative took more risks in making creatures not of the usual colors.
So what? Red Vamps don't count?
Not really. red vampires came out of R&D's push to have every race tied to two colors. Black/blue became Zombies, White/blue became spirits, White/green became humans, red/green became werewolves, and black/red became vampires.
It's like what happened with Lorwyn where they extended the tribes into a second color for mechanical reasons, not creative ones.
Shimatsu the Bloodcloaked  is more what i'm talking about. A character who is not the usual color. I'd like to see this more often, and driven by creative, not from R&D trying to make tribal more dynamic.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 24, 2012 - 9:25PM
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I would love it if Creative took more risks in making creatures not of the usual colors.
So what? Red Vamps don't count?
Not really. red vampires came out of R&D's push to have every race tied to two colors. Black/blue became Zombies, White/blue became spirits, White/green became humans, red/green became werewolves, and black/red became vampires.
It's like what happened with Lorwyn where they extended the tribes into a second color for mechanical reasons, not creative ones.
Shimatsu the Bloodcloaked is more what i'm talking about. A character who is not the usual color. I'd like to see this more often, and driven by creative, not from R&D trying to make tribal more dynamic.
Oni Of Wild Places 
He's not exceptional.
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