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12 months ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 8:35AM #1
silver1114
Date Joined: Apr 22, 2012
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Sengir Vampire With first strike and death touch and lure attacks 5 1/1 tokens with flying  will  all the token dye die or will the last one take 0 damage?

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Sengir Vampire 4/4 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 5/5 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 6/6 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 7/7 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 8/8 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1

also first strike death touch will kill befor defender dos any damage right ?


 
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 8:37AM #2
Enigma256
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he will be 8/8 by the time the survivors can strike back
he will only deal 4 damage total, however
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 8:37AM #3
K-Mogg
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only 4 of them will die.
Sengir's triggered ability can't go on the stack in the middle of combat damage being dealt.

Yes, first strike/death touch will destroy the creature before it can assign/deal damage back.  (unless it also has first/double strike)
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 8:39AM #4
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The last one will live.

The vampire's damage is assigned all at once, then dealt.
It assigns 1 to each of the first 4 tokens. Then it deals that damage.
Then state-based actions are checked and each of those tokens is destroyed, triggering the vampire.
You put the four vampire triggers on the stack, and they resolve one at a time.

Then the game continues to the normal combat damage step and the spirit will deal 1 damage to the 8/8 vampire. 
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 8:45AM #5
silver1114
Date Joined: Apr 22, 2012
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Jun 21, 2012 -- 8:35AM, silver1114 wrote:

Sengir Vampire With first strike and death touch and lure attacks 5 1/1 tokens with flying  will  all the token dye die or will the last one take 0 damage?

how i see it


Sengir Vampire 4/4 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 5/5 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 6/6 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 7/7 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1
Sengir Vampire 8/8 f,fs,d -> 1/1 for 1 damage it dies and Sengir Vampire"s atack gose up by 1

also first strike death touch will kill befor defender dos any damage right ?


 


what if he had duble strike would he get to swing for the 8/8 on 2ndt swing

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 21, 2012 - 8:46AM #6
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Yes, the vampire would do 8 damage to the last 1/1 token.
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