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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 5:53AM #301
trulez
Date Joined: Aug 21, 2012
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In 2HG my team mate has Future Sight out, he casts Cast Through Time , then on the next following turns, from the top of his deck he cast Time Warp which did not get Rebounded. On the third turn he cast Repulse from the top of his deck, which DID get Rebound on the turn after that. What part is not working as intented ?

Either Time Warps should have gotten Rebound, or Repulse should not have gotten Rebound, which is it ?
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 6:24AM #302
Burzmalli
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Time Warp definitely should have rebounded. Time Warp didn't get countered, did it? I think spells have to resolve in order to rebound.
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 6:39AM #303
robvalue
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Rebound doesn't do anything unless the card is cast from your hand, so casting it by Future Sight from your library shouldn't cause a copy to be created. So neither should have ended up being copied. Are you able to replicate the problem with Repulse ?
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 6:48AM #304
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I have a query.

I've just started using Exalted Darkness a bit, and today in a match against an Obedient Dead player I had debtor's knell in play and fetched grislebrand (which I had destroyed the turn earlier) from my opponents graveyard. However, I was unable to use his ability. I was down to 6 life at the time, but I had a  worship in play, and I was really looking forward to the interaction between these two cards, but it turns out they don't interact at all.

I assumed that never being able to be reduced below 1 life I would be able to pay infinite life.

Can someone explain why it doesn't work like this?
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 6:50AM #305
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Aug 27, 2012 -- 6:48AM, niv__mizzet1 wrote:

I have a query.

I've just started using Exalted Darkness a bit, and today in a match against an Obedient Dead player I had debtor's knell in play and fetched grislebrand (which I had destroyed the turn earlier) from my opponents graveyard. However, I was unable to use his ability. I was down to 6 life at the time, but I had a  worship in play, and I was really looking forward to the interaction between these two cards, but it turns out they don't interact at all.

I assumed that never being able to be reduced below 1 life I would be able to pay infinite life.

Can someone explain why it doesn't work like this?



1) you cant pay life you dont have
2) paying life isnt damage.

Does that help?   

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 6:52AM #306
niv__mizzet1
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Aug 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, robvalue wrote:

Rebound doesn't do anything unless the card is cast from your hand, so casting it by Future Sight from your library shouldn't cause a copy to be created. So neither should have ended up being copied. Are you able to replicate the problem with Repulse ?




I'll just chip in and add to your post by quoting a wiki article.

"Rebound is a keyword ability introduced in Rise of the Eldrazi and appears on instants and sorceries. If the spell was cast from hand, it is exiled as it resolves. At the beginning of its controller's next upkeep, the player may cast it again without paying its mana cost."

I coloured and bolded the important phrase.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 6:54AM #307
niv__mizzet1
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Aug 27, 2012 -- 6:50AM, LMTRK wrote:

Aug 27, 2012 -- 6:48AM, niv__mizzet1 wrote:

I have a query.

I've just started using Exalted Darkness a bit, and today in a match against an Obedient Dead player I had debtor's knell in play and fetched grislebrand (which I had destroyed the turn earlier) from my opponents graveyard. However, I was unable to use his ability. I was down to 6 life at the time, but I had a  worship in play, and I was really looking forward to the interaction between these two cards, but it turns out they don't interact at all.

I assumed that never being able to be reduced below 1 life I would be able to pay infinite life.

Can someone explain why it doesn't work like this?



1) you cant pay life you dont have
2) paying life isnt damage.

Does that help?   

~ Tim





I guess. It's just sad Frown

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 7:07AM #308
ScaryKoolaid
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I'm still having difficulty understanding exactly how Elderscale Wurm works.

I play one vs OD while my hp is at 10. I have elder out, 2x Wood Elves and an Acidic Slime out. He casts Massacre Wurm and kills all but my wurm. I lose 6 life and go to 4. He swings in his creatures and kills me.

I assume this is because his MW causes me to "lose life" not "take damage" right? So he breaches my 7 life buffer with 6 points of "lose life" and thats how his creature damage gets through.

So I think it's working correctly in this situation, but I just want to make sure?

And gosh that means I really need to start paying attention to what causes loss of life versus damage in this game. I know OD also has Exsanguinate .
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 7:10AM #309
robvalue
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That's right, losing life is not the same as damage so Elderscale Wurm does nothing to stop it. 
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11 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2012 - 7:21AM #310
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Aug 27, 2012 -- 6:52AM, niv__mizzet1 wrote:

Aug 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, robvalue wrote:

Rebound doesn't do anything unless the card is cast from your hand, so casting it by Future Sight from your library shouldn't cause a copy to be created. So neither should have ended up being copied. Are you able to replicate the problem with Repulse ?




I'll just chip in and add to your post by quoting a wiki article.

"Rebound is a keyword ability introduced in Rise of the Eldrazi and appears on instants and sorceries. If the spell was cast from hand, it is exiled as it resolves. At the beginning of its controller's next upkeep, the player may cast it again without paying its mana cost."

I coloured and bolded the important phrase.




OK, but now I'm confused.  Because the Future Sight text reads: "As though it were in your hand." So wouldn't that mean that you did cast if from your hand and it should rebound?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just read the Future Sight rulings and the card is not actually in your hand.  

5/1/2007 The top card of your library isn't in your hand, so you can't suspend it, cycle it, discard it, or activate any of its activated abilities.

 
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