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Jan 15, 2013 -- 11:45AM, slodice wrote:

Jan 14, 2013 -- 5:56PM, PirateAmmo wrote:

Jan 14, 2013 -- 10:45AM, Jalamdhara wrote:

He had out a Bloodchief Ascension with more than 3 counters on it. His partner played Traumatize on one of the opponents, milling 40+ cards. for each card, the opponents lost 2 life untilone of them realized what was happening. I don't remember what decks the opponents were using, but suffice it to say, after 2 of the triggers had gone off losing those opponents 4 life, one of them destroyed the Bloodchief Ascension (maybe with Vindicate or something, it doesn't really matter). After that, the triggers for each card milled kept resolving, but the opponents no longer were losing life.

That is a bug.

Once Bloodchief Ascension 's ability triggers, it should resolve even if Bloodchief Ascension is destroyed. The ability uses Bloodchief Ascension 's last known information. Bloodchief Ascension had three counters on it as it last existed on the battlefield, so the opponent loses 2 life.

608.2g. If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures on the battlefield), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself or a target that's become illegal, the effect uses the current information of that object if it's in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it's no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object's last known information.

This doesn't apply here, the condition if  Bloodchief Ascension has 3 or more counters on it is checked when the trigger resolves. This is not a leave-the-battlefield ability, this is an intervening if clause. This is quoted from gatherer

10/1/2009

Bloodchief Ascension's second ability doesn't behave like a leaves-the-battlefield triggered ability, since the card put into an opponent's graveyard may come from anywhere. If a Bloodchief Ascension with three quest counters on it and a permanent an opponent owns are destroyed at the same time, for example, the game will not "look back in time" at the game state, and Bloodchief Ascension's second ability won't trigger.

 

Actually, PirateAmmo is correct. The ruling you quoted is talking about something like Planar Cleansing that destroys both the Ascension and something else at the exact same time--if that happens, the Ascension won't trigger at all for the things that were destroyed at the same time as itself.

In Jalamdhara's situation, all the cards went to the graveyard first, which triggers Ascension, and then the Ascension was destroyed afterwards. 608.2g applies here--the Ascension triggers should check the LKI of the Ascension, see that it had three counters when it was last on the battlefield, and drain the opponents' life.

Jan 16, 2013 -- 1:40PM, lostaname wrote:

This happened just now in a PC: Someone cast Barrin's Spite and targeted my Acidic Slime and a Beast token. I used Erratic Portal to bounce Acidic Slime out of panic.... and then when Barrin's Spite made me chose targets I couldn't select the token... O-o

...What do you mean, exactly? Your question's a bit unclear--what decision were you making that you couldn't select the token for? And what happened?