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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 5:30AM #671
Jokusho
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Just play all of them. Big wurms are always good.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 6:32AM #672
sixty4half
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Is it bad if I don't play with any of the wurms?
Chancellor of the Spires is one of the worst cards in the deck. With only two of them, you are almost never going to get one in your starting hand. If you do get it in your starting hand, it will just sit there. If you get to cast it, it will get burned immediately.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 6:58AM #673
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How could you not want to Wild Pair 14 life and 2 7/7 tramplers?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 7:01AM #674
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And, no joke.
Just because it's a big Wurm does not itself justify running it.
See my above reason not to run Elderscale.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 8:13AM #675
Hakeem928
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One Pelakka Wurm is fine; it's my preferred Natural Order target against red decks. Once you start running all three Wurms, plus Wild Pair , plus Gaea's Revenge , you will get a lot of really bad draws. Elderscale Wurm is pretty bad in the removal-heavy meta we have.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 9:26AM #676
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Feb 13, 2013 -- 6:58AM, thedevilwuster wrote:

How could you not want to Wild Pair 14 life and 2 7/7 tramplers?




I just run a quicker, more efficent version of this deck.  Thragtusk provides enough life and other creatures provide enough card draw, without having to die I might add, that I don't think I need them.  I'd never Natural Order into one of them, there are other creatures that win the game quicker.  Early game NO is pointed at Gaea's Revenge.  Late game NO is pointed at Gigantomancer.  In other situations I would get Stingerfling or Ooze.  No need for Pelakka.  It also slows the deck down as I'd have to remove something in the 2 to 4 cmc range.

Chancellor of the Spires is one of the worst cards in the deck. With only two of them, you are almost never going to get one in your starting hand. If you do get it in your starting hand, it will just sit there. If you get to cast it, it will get burned immediately.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 9:36AM #677
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Gea is what I tutor also.
I'd rather ramp and cast the wurm as NO does not trigger WP
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 1:15PM #678
Hakeem928
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Feb 13, 2013 -- 9:26AM, sixty4half wrote:

Feb 13, 2013 -- 6:58AM, thedevilwuster wrote:

How could you not want to Wild Pair 14 life and 2 7/7 tramplers?




I just run a quicker, more efficent version of this deck.  Thragtusk provides enough life and other creatures provide enough card draw, without having to die I might add, that I don't think I need them.  I'd never Natural Order into one of them, there are other creatures that win the game quicker.  Early game NO is pointed at Gaea's Revenge.  Late game NO is pointed at Gigantomancer.  In other situations I would get Stingerfling or Ooze.  No need for Pelakka.  It also slows the deck down as I'd have to remove something in the 2 to 4 cmc range.






Pelakka Wurm is a house vs. GG and BoF; that's why I have one copy and it's the only time I Natural Order into it. Reason enough for inclusion, IMO.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 1:42PM #679
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Feb 13, 2013 -- 1:15PM, Hakeem928 wrote:

Feb 13, 2013 -- 9:26AM, sixty4half wrote:

Feb 13, 2013 -- 6:58AM, thedevilwuster wrote:

How could you not want to Wild Pair 14 life and 2 7/7 tramplers?




I just run a quicker, more efficent version of this deck.  Thragtusk provides enough life and other creatures provide enough card draw, without having to die I might add, that I don't think I need them.  I'd never Natural Order into one of them, there are other creatures that win the game quicker.  Early game NO is pointed at Gaea's Revenge.  Late game NO is pointed at Gigantomancer.  In other situations I would get Stingerfling or Ooze.  No need for Pelakka.  It also slows the deck down as I'd have to remove something in the 2 to 4 cmc range.




Pelakka Wurm is a house vs. GG and BoF; that's why I have one copy and it's the only time I Natural Order into it. Reason enough for inclusion, IMO.




Pretty much anything I play turn 4 and after is going to be bigger than anything GG can send my way and is going to be too big for BoF to remove with only 1 card.  Once BoF starts sending burn to the face, Thragtusk can dig me out of a hole.  NO into Palakka is the only time I would see Palakka in a game against either because you don't hit 7 land against those decks.  Therefore; I still want a faster deck.  Gaea's Revenge ends the game quicker and is all but unanswerable by either of those decks.

Chancellor of the Spires is one of the worst cards in the deck. With only two of them, you are almost never going to get one in your starting hand. If you do get it in your starting hand, it will just sit there. If you get to cast it, it will get burned immediately.
- gombl3r

CW is NOT how a mono blue deck should work.
-Khronikos

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 3:11PM #680
Hakeem928
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It's not about the seven life vs. five of Thragtusk ; it's about the 7/7 body that they can't get rid of. I don't think not running any Wurms at all is bad; it's actually MUCH better than running all three. But I don't think that one copy of Pelakka Wurm would slow you down that much, it would just give you another option.
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